[G]Terran vs Zerg 1-1 16 marine drop - Page 3

Then the zerg has most likely lost alleready Saint as hydras are so useless in ZvT and quite expensive.

Also as some constructive criticism, when showing a build in a replay (or when doing commentary overall) having the production tab open is awesome.

On September 21 2011 13:12 ContactKilla wrote:
I just used this is a TvP. It saved me.

The reactor on the starport is what really gave me the game. I scouted fast collos, and i got vikings out in time just to stop it while reparing bunks and only stimming the units in the bunks.

Im very happy with this build. I was also able to get units to drop. This build is VERY safe.

On September 21 2011 15:36 HansK wrote:


From Utah? Me too! I agree though it works pretty well in TvP I don't mind it at all. I've even used it in TvT when I feel like going tank marine. It's actually surprising how 1-1 marines with combat shield and medivacs do vs hellion early-mid game. Late game tank marine just sucks though vs mech.

On September 21 2011 15:41 Vegasminion wrote:


I don't see where he says he's from utah though, however I am also from utah. On this build i do feel it is strong however in higher masters a lot of players have roaches or traveling lings / banes just in case for this, I did try it however and it had a 50% win ratio based on 10 tvz's

On September 21 2011 16:44 yaRus wrote:
Mid master here.

I was trying to do something like this build yesturday on Taldarim altar.

Here is the replay:
http://zergit.ru/replays/yaRus vs Bazookahero 2011-09-21 04 17 40.SC2Replay

As you can see zerg was very greedy by taking early 3rd and dronning like mad. Drop arived at 11 mintues even thou it done huge damage.

But i have some conclusions:
1. This realy should be autolose to Losira style Roach-Bane-Ling 2 base all-in even with 3 Rax walloff cause beilings just destroy raxes and then Lings come to mineral line while roaches trying to break bunkers.

2. Vs 1 base beneling bust we need big wall off to defend.

3. Vs fast muta we will nor be able to drop (mostly) cause muta will be on the field at 8-30 - 9 minute mark (from 2 bases before 3rd)

4. Drop can be easely handled by zerg if he opt to go for fast infestors on 2 base - fungle+banse = dead marines even with grades.

But advantages:
1. It is almost auto-win vs fast 3rd build
2. It punishes hard greedy zerg who made lots of drones
3. It also should be very strong vs avarage muta timing (after 10 minute mark) cause marines rape mutas.

On September 21 2011 17:45 Namu wrote:
I like how this build sounds.
Sounds like a variation of reaper FE into double medivac drop.
I guess you give up the scouting/harassing opportunity of the one reaper but in return
you get a much more powerful drop.

But it should be common knowledge amongst terrans that fast medivac builds are hard countered by any type of baneling bust builds (roach banes or ling banes, doesn't matter) unless you scout it and build 3+ bunkers. This build probably won't be any different in terms of vulnerability to a bust.

I don't know why some people think this build is weak vs fast mutas, it's actually very strong vs people who get very fast mutas. If you have mutas out before 10 min mark, you'll definitely be low on any other army. Two medivacs full of 1-1 marines can annihilate mutas... I don't even think 8:30 mutas is possible without cutting things unrealistically (maybe if you build 0 static defense or lings). Even 9 min mutas are very rare.

Edit: just tried it. drop landed at approx. 10:30, shakuras horizontal positions.
Possible transition out of it as you drop is lift the two raxes up from the tech labs, land the factory after building a reactor & build another factory on the tech lab. build two more raxes & command center. then you have a reactored starport, 5 raxes (add more as your mineral allows obviously, but i'd recommend don't build reactors on raxes cause you need the gas for more upgrades & 2 fac tanks and medivacs), 2 factories, a 3rd coming up, 2 ebays for continuous upgrades (build armory obviously). Solid set of building infrastructure you need.

Can you show me a replay of 1. ? I've never seen any all in pre 10 minutes be able to break through 3 rax wall off with bunkers when the Terran played proper [macro, miro, etc]. If there is such a build that can do it I'd love to see it, as 90% of Terrans in masters don't wall off with 3 rax with bunkers behind it.

On September 22 2011 04:00 Skygrinder wrote:
I've encountered this twice and lost both times (I'm mid masters zerg).

Soooo, what is the best way to nullify it? Just ling baneling and good overlord placement?

On September 22 2011 04:16 pwadoc wrote:


I would skip banelings. Spend your gas on 1/1 upgrades for lings, lair, overlord speed and infestors. If you don't see any aggression from a terran by 8 minutes, you should be worried. I start blindly massing lings at about 8:30 if I don't see aggression, and it's almost never a bad decision v. terran. 40 1/1 lings will shut this down, and you can use them to deny a third after you defend the drops.

[edit] Skipping banelings is critical. A terran with 2 ebays is going to have 3/3 marines in the lategame. Ling/bling is not cost-effective against 3/3 marines, even if you have 3/3 as well. You need hive tech to deal with it, (I usually aim for ultra/ling/bling/infestor because terrans generally expect and prepare for broodlords), and the gas you spend on banelings could be spent on upgrades and tech. Lings alone are cost effective vs. marines as long as you keep even on upgrades up until the point where you both have 3/3. At that point, you need to be ready with better tech.

On September 21 2011 01:53 bmn wrote:


The OP has masters replays, what makes you think it will not work there?

I'm also not sure how you plan to defend the drop with only lings if he drops them in a choke/mineral line/choke. Your mutas will not do anything if he already unloaded his marines in your base; they're only good to prevent drops from arriving. You need more than that to actually take out the marines once they are there; mutas vs 1-1 marines is a terrible fight to pick, especially that early on when you definitely don't have 16 mutas to match his marine numbers.