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Cry of FuN
Belgium6 Posts
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Frozenhelfire
United States420 Posts
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WaKai
Canada88 Posts
- I moved the patrol key(x) to q as move command is already on your right click - moved move command to x -moved attack to a instead of q as i found it way to hard to switch to q Over all great setup and I am looking forward to having it memorized! | ||
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FoxyMayhem
624 Posts
On December 22 2011 05:59 FallenStar wrote: I have two questions, and I hope they have not been asked yet. If so, sorry, I have not time enough to read all the posts. 1.- When is the 1.3 version going to be available? 2.- I have a problem with the last version released. When I play as Zerg, I have the D button (stops doing anything that it was doing) mixed with some abilities (spread creep, for example). Is that normal, or have I make a mistake of any kind? Thanks for the answers. P.D.: Sorry if my English in awful. 1. 1.3 prerelease is available already under the same download link. 2. Stop should be on W, not D, that's bizarre. I suggest you changed it back to W On December 22 2011 07:45 SuPerFlyTNT wrote: Dell Inspiron 15r laptop keyboard, ha ha ha. Yes, it's very nice.Hey what keyboard are you using? I'm noticing the alt/space meets under the C, for me it meets under the X. Meeting under the C would be alot easier. On December 22 2011 07:58 Cry of FuN wrote: I'm using an azerty keyboard, do you have any solutions for this ? 3 options: 1) Toggle your keyboard to QWERTY using the windows keyboard creator. Simply pressing alt+shift will toggle your keyboard between azerty and QWERTY. 2) See where the keys are supposed to go and then manually adjust the hotkey layout yourself. Probably the best option. Send me the file and I'll put it in the Download area for other azerty users 3) Use the excellent software "AutoHotkey" to make your computer automatically switch to QWERTY only when SCII is active, with manual in-game deactivation by pressing a single key. Requires the will to learn a bit of script, though. On December 22 2011 10:51 WaKai wrote: hey, master toss switching to terran, really great setup, trying out for the past couple days while learning t. A couple suggestions: - I moved the patrol key(x) to q as move command is already on your right click - moved move command to x -moved attack to a instead of q as i found it way to hard to switch to q Over all great setup and I am looking forward to having it memorized! Glad you're liking it. 1&2: Patrol is on A in 1.3, Move command is placed on M, aka the far side of the keyboard out of the way since no one uses it. The download for 1.3 is in the same link at the bottom of the OP. 3: Attack is used more frequently than patrol, and so is placed on the resting position, so the player doesn't have to needlessly move their finger so much more often. When you're bouncing back and forth between you R and V harass, it's actually really helpful to have it on Q. Individual players are welcome to change that how they like, of course, but at this point I've given up on "easy to learn" and shoot almost entirely for "highest efficiency". If was still doing "easy to learn", though, this is a great suggestion. | ||
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WaKai
Canada88 Posts
On December 22 2011 10:51 WaKai wrote: hey, master toss switching to terran, really great setup, trying out for the past couple days while learning t. A couple suggestions: - I moved the patrol key(x) to q as move command is already on your right click - moved move command to x -moved attack to a instead of q as i found it way to hard to switch to q Over all great setup and I am looking forward to having it memorized! Glad you're liking it. 1&2: Patrol is on A in 1.3, Move command is placed on M, aka the far side of the keyboard out of the way since no one uses it. The download for 1.3 is in the same link at the bottom of the OP. 3: Attack is used more frequently than patrol, and so is placed on the resting position, so the player doesn't have to needlessly move their finger so much more often. When you're bouncing back and forth between you R and V harass, it's actually really helpful to have it on Q. Individual players are welcome to change that how they like, of course, but at this point I've given up on "easy to learn" and shoot almost entirely for "highest efficiency". If was still doing "easy to learn", though, this is a great suggestion.[/QUOTE] Oh, probably downloaded the older version. Yeah tried using q for a move the first day and was too hard to switch lol would always patrol my army into theirs. | ||
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thesideshow
930 Posts
I plan to move (Zerg btw) the XNWT keys back to the F-keys and queens/hatch to 1 and 2. Sort of like a hybrid between pro and basic if you will. I use the f keys instead of your suggested changes because I have an awesome keyboard with easy to reach f keys ^^ What are your opinions on that? PS. I really like your alt-layer camera hotkeys injecting method. Seems like a pretty good compromise between the speed of backspace and the control of individually hotkey-ed queens! | ||
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FoxyMayhem
624 Posts
If you're not going for pro, simply not using cameras 1 and 2 is fine, the layered cameras on QWASDF are far more important, and even if you do plan to use those cams, F1 and F2 work well. As for putting your Queens and Hatch on 1 and 2, I strongly suggest against it. 2 can work for queens, since your pointer and middle can still rest on E and F when selecting, but 1 is a reach and leaves your fingers out of position to execute the next action. If hatches are on 2, your finger is out of position to press W to select your larva. Instead, I say go even more with what you mentioned: a hybrid between Pro and Basic. I'm growing an FAQ section in the original post, it's at the bottom of the spoilered 1.3 prerelease stuff. It shows you there what I recommend for Zergs who want pro but can't use their mouse buttons. | ||
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thesideshow
930 Posts
On December 22 2011 13:46 FoxyMayhem wrote: I do like the Fkeys being so near! Mine is like that as well. If you're not going for pro, simply not using cameras 1 and 2 is fine, the layered cameras on QWASDF are far more important, and even if you do plan to use those cams, F1 and F2 work well. As for putting your Queens and Hatch on 1 and 2, I strongly suggest against it. 2 can work for queens, since your pointer and middle can still rest on E and F when selecting, but 1 is a reach and leaves your fingers out of position to execute the next action. If hatches are on 2, your finger is out of position to press W to select your larva. Instead, I say go even more with what you mentioned: a hybrid between Pro and Basic. I'm growing an FAQ section in the original post, it's at the bottom of the spoilered 1.3 prerelease stuff. It shows you there what I recommend for Zergs who want pro but can't use their mouse buttons. Actually I was going to move everything forward and have hatches on numbers 4/5 as that's what I do now and I'm lazy XD I'm slightly reluctant to use caps lock as a control group. I've remapped ctrl to caps lock, which allows super easy grouping. I REALLY like the layered cameras ^^ | ||
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FoxyMayhem
624 Posts
If you're too lazy, fine, but the finger that selects 4/5 is the one used for inject (E), so you're going to be constantly slowing yourself down every time you do such a regular task. Hatches work on 4, but I suggest moving queens to Space, 2/3, or G. | ||
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thesideshow
930 Posts
It's like you're giving me free stuff and professional customer service. Thanks! Big <3s! | ||
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Amaterasu1234
United States317 Posts
On December 22 2011 11:01 FoxyMayhem wrote: Oh my, see, this is why this is a prerelease, I thought I had fixed all those issues present. Thank you for bringing them up, layouts updated. 1. 1.3 prerelease is available already under the same download link. 2. Stop should be on W, not D, that's bizarre. I suggest you changed it back to W Glad you're liking it. 1&2: Patrol is on A in 1.3, Move command is placed on M, aka the far side of the keyboard out of the way since no one uses it. The download for 1.3 is in the same link at the bottom of the OP. 3: Attack is used more frequently than patrol, and so is placed on the resting position, so the player doesn't have to needlessly move their finger so much more often. When you're bouncing back and forth between you R and V harass, it's actually really helpful to have it on Q. Individual players are welcome to change that how they like, of course, but at this point I've given up on "easy to learn" and shoot almost entirely for "highest efficiency". If was still doing "easy to learn", though, this is a great suggestion. Since I play Z, the changes I made were: 1) Completely unbound both move and stop. Right clicking is faster than pressing M and clicking...and stopping is just bad...it's not like we're building anything. 2) I tried moving attack move to 'a' once...did not go well. Since roaches were on q, I eventually just became accustomed to pressing it, and I was forced to move it back. as for toggling the sound, I play with the sound off...though, i did notice the "sound off/on" caption pop up a lot... | ||
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mrsstinsfire123
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mumpfel
Germany52 Posts
also it feels strange to have my hatches and queens on mouse buttons, i am not sure if i will get used to this. but i will give it a try the next days, in theory this is a great hotkey setup! :- ) | ||
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FallenStar
Spain118 Posts
2. Stop should be on W, not D, that's bizarre. I suggest you changed it back to W Yeah I know is strange, but I forgot to say that when I try to change it, a lot of hotkeys stop working, and when I try to fix the new problem, other hotkeys stop working too, so if I want all hotkeys to work, I will have to change all the hotkeys (or almost), so I decided to ask you. P.D.: Sorry for my low English level and I hope you forgive my error. | ||
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FoxyMayhem
624 Posts
@Mumpfel: depending on where the buttons are on your mouse, it may be too uncomfortable. But if the reach is fine and it just feels weird for now, I bet in three days you're going to love it. Here's a key-interceptor script so that the space bar behaves as alt only when holding space and one of the layered camera buttons, and only when starcraft 2 is active. In otherwords, it's like a ninja that lets space behave as alt only when you need it. Mostly. When chatting in-game, if your word starts with one of those letters (QWASDF), it may read it as ALT and the letter, so you may look like you have a few more typos. You'll need to download and install the key interceptor: Download AutoHotkeyL WARNING: this program can be used to create hotkeys that violate the terms of service. The script I've given DOES NOT VIOLATE the terms of service. I've used it with Starcraft 2 before, and not been banned. But this is a "use it at your own risk" solution. If Blizzard decides to ban peeps running these scripts, I am not liable for the loss of your account, and I wouldn't be shocked. That said, I doubt they will. The script is on the skydrive: https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=e733250a727fc728#cid=E733250A727FC728&id=E733250A727FC728!123 You'll need to remove the spacebar control group and place it on Capslock. For those curious, mrsstunsfire123 and I skyped and got his problems worked out, he's actually going to be helping me with more detailed tutorial vids, yay! So props to him. | ||
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pure.resonance
United States32 Posts
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Vilanoil
Germany47 Posts
I've tried it for some hours now and it feels really great. I just made up some few changes for my self like burrow and unborrow both on the same hotkey. Also i changed the xng-keys too F1-2, thats bcuz i am used to my previous hotkey settings ( i still have the others on with + qw.... ) Well done! | ||
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Memchii
7 Posts
Silver league player trying to switch to this before I get used to standard hotkeys. Still taking some getting used to, but the great thing is the layout semi-forces/teaches me to assign camera locations to things I normally don't bother looking at (XNWTs, Creep Tumors, any hatchery past 2 lol). I imagine my apm should sky rocket once I get used to this layout (apm currently around 50 with standard, will post back in a few weeks with an update). Update: Since switching over and playing with it for a little less than a month my APM has indeed improved. Went from 50 APM to 100 APM no change in APM redundancy. My inject gap has taken a sharp decrease as well. Great thing is I've since been promoted to Gold! I'm still not utilizing the full hotkey spread of the layout though. My hands aren't fast enough yet for multiple unit control groups. | ||
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awakenx
United States341 Posts
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MilExo
South Africa139 Posts
Also, Mouse 4 and Mouse 5 feels a bit awkward if you have to constantly click it to do your macro. How do you handle that? | ||
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