EPT[G] Hister's PvZ pylon pressure - Page 2
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ZeroX.791
Spain3 Posts
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covetousrat
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DeathIncarna
United States29 Posts
Edit: The map in question is Abyssal Caverns. Edit: Tried it 3 more times, but I lost all 3 times. Mostly from falling behind after executing this build and taking out the natural. | ||
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lurked
Canada918 Posts
Gonna give it a shot tonight, I'll probably come back here to let you know how it turned out. | ||
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stilez
Mexico130 Posts
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pwadoc
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Fierco
United States31 Posts
(he says he could win with 1 base infestors) | ||
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~Maverick~
United States234 Posts
On August 12 2011 03:42 pwadoc wrote: What happens if the zerg anticipates this strategy, and uses their first queen to plant a tumor to deny the pylons? What would the zerg see that would prompt this? Even if they see you build a second zealot, I don't think the regular zerg reaction is, "oh that 2nd zealot must mean he's going to build pylons at my ramp! On August 12 2011 06:22 Fierco wrote: Ok, so I showed this to my friend, and he says this is just bronze league cheese and that he could easily beat it with 1 base nydus or something. How cause I explain to him that, that's not what it is? O_o (he says he could win with 1 base infestors) Why don't you try the build vs him? or show him the replays of it working vs high level players. Also: question to OP, what do you do if the zerg drone scouts, do you try to prevent him from seeing the second zealot? I'm just wondering how this would affect your build. | ||
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ssregitoss
Turkey241 Posts
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Alejandrisha
United States6566 Posts
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CosmicSpiral
United States15275 Posts
On that note have you considered the possible transitions into a macro game? | ||
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CecilSunkure
United States2829 Posts
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Hister
United States89 Posts
On August 12 2011 00:43 DeathIncarna wrote: I have a question; on one of the new ladder maps (not sure which one) the natural's creep extends all the way to the ramp in between the z natural and the z main, which makes it impossible to build the pylons to wall their ramp. What does one do in this case? Did I just get to his ramp too late? Edit: The map in question is Abyssal Caverns. Edit: Tried it 3 more times, but I lost all 3 times. Mostly from falling behind after executing this build and taking out the natural. I don't play that map 1-1-1 is too strong on it so I avoid it. You can still build the pylon block just get the first pylon closest to hatchery building before the hatch has time to spread creep there. | ||
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Hister
United States89 Posts
On August 12 2011 06:34 ~Maverick~ wrote: What would the zerg see that would prompt this? Even if they see you build a second zealot, I don't think the regular zerg reaction is, "oh that 2nd zealot must mean he's going to build pylons at my ramp! Why don't you try the build vs him? or show him the replays of it working vs high level players. Also: question to OP, what do you do if the zerg drone scouts, do you try to prevent him from seeing the second zealot? I'm just wondering how this would affect your build. I don't try to hide it to often when the zerg scouts me they seem to believe I'm doing a FE and steal my gas which makes my rush even stronger. Now on Shakuras I build my gateway closest to the middle on my ramp so if he gets fast overlord scout he wont see me crono my gateway. | ||
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Hister
United States89 Posts
On August 12 2011 06:22 Fierco wrote: Ok, so I showed this to my friend, and he says this is just bronze league cheese and that he could easily beat it with 1 base nydus or something. How cause I explain to him that, that's not what it is? O_o (he says he could win with 1 base infestors) I had a game where the zerg canceled his expo before I got there and just turtled all game with spines, speedlings and infestors. I hunted down all the overlords on the map took my expo built a lot of cannons down his ramp and even more at my natural. He couldn't do any damage with archon, HT, cannons, zealots and sentrys all over the map. Basically 1 base Protoss > 1 base Zerg so just play very safe until its 2 base Protoss. | ||
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Hister
United States89 Posts
On August 12 2011 07:47 CosmicSpiral wrote: I think it's a very nice pressure build that exploits the standard PvZ metagame. If Z scouts the second zealot he will assume some sort of incoming tech and drone hard until he needs to defend it. This will catch him completely offguard. Personally I believe that Protoss players need to embrace soft pressure builds if they want to return PvZ to an even playing field, as macro openings like FFE are not working anymore. On that note have you considered the possible transitions into a macro game? Good to see you understand it the overall goal of this is just to be like a 2 rac bunker push into expo. However, its much stronger because zealots dominate drones and zerglings and Stalkers are a mobile 6 range unit vs slow queens. I really do feel this has a place in the higher levels where players like Huk and MC with great FF micro will be able to expo behind this. | ||
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johanngrunt
Hong Kong1555 Posts
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RoyalFlush
Canada109 Posts
imo it doesnt work too well against gasless expo build? http://replayfu.com/r/9K3mxm (Hister vs RoyalFlush) | ||
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Hister
United States89 Posts
On August 12 2011 17:48 RoyalFlush wrote: I just saw your name and remembered that I might have played against this build and found the replay imo it doesnt work too well against gasless expo build? http://replayfu.com/r/9K3mxm (Hister vs RoyalFlush) If you look at the replay I ruined my rush minute 4:45 I had 2 stalkers qued as I was about to drop a cannon and another pylon but I didnt have the money. I remember this reviewing this replay thinking where is my money? | ||
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ForeverSleep
Canada920 Posts
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