[G] StimmedProbe's TvP 1-1-1 All-in/Contain - Page 5

On August 24 2011 09:12 MMXMoto-X17 wrote:
This is one of the best Tvp guides I ever read. Very well written to, Nice! I'm only gold but after practicing this build a few times I'm starting to beat platinum and even low diamond protoss. I'm finding this strategy even works vs zerg, or at least the gold/platinum zergs I play vs.

But I have a question, what do I do vs warp prism harass? This protoss dropped 4 zealots in my main as soon as I moved out, and I was forced to retreat and defend. He then did this happened again, etc. I ended up losing the game because he got 2 colosuses out by the time I got to his base.

thanks

On August 24 2011 02:12 Kevincible wrote:
In IEM finals.. I saw Puma getting out a banshee first then a raven against MC.

Could it be because he wants to harass MC's mineral line ASAP？

On August 24 2011 16:19 StimmedProbe wrote:


If he drops 4 zealots in your main you just take your army + all your base scvs and go kill him. Lift your CC towards your army, and pump out one last round of units from your rax/fact/starport, then lift those too towards your army. If they invest 600 in 4zealots/warp prism they will have much less stuff at home to deal with your push.

On August 24 2011 18:51 DaemonX wrote:

With all respect, this is not valid in masters Stimmed. 4-zeal warp prism - or more likely, hidden-pylon-and-he-just-runs-them-over-to-your-ramp-zeals don't invest enough that a good player that isn't losing too much stuff will let you break in suddenly. He can force a base-swap with very little investment indeed sometimes, leaving you in a very uncomfortable position.

The best example I can think of is a protoss that forced a lift-off with zealot warp ins into my main (he had a probe and observer out on the map when I established contain, did a low-ground pylon warp-in), and had a single voidray that took out my Orbital and barracks on-route! I was forced to try and crack him and ended up pushing into 3 colossi which picked off all my marines. I wasn't dead but neither was I mining - nasty game. I'll try and dig up the replay.

On August 24 2011 18:59 StimmedProbe wrote:


Just for reference, I'm in grandmasters =] Anyways at the highest level of play if you waste 600 minerals on an attack that doesn't do much, you will lose. In addition that warp prism eats up robo build time. The first hellion should poke around for these pylons anyways.

I have never had problems with 4 zealot drops with this build. Yes it is extremely annoying to get 4 zealot dropped, but you just simply send all your scvs now instead of just 12-16 of them. It's sorta how in TvZ, if 20+ mutas keep poking your base, you just say 'ok i've had it, and take your whole army and march across the map and force him to come back to defend your push'.

edit: Terran's almost always win base trades btw =]

On August 31 2011 22:12 michaelhasanalias wrote:


I'm sorry if I'm trolling, but could you tell me what server you're grandmasters? All your replays are from SEA, but you have played 5 games total on that account, and I can't find you anywhere else.

http://www.sc2ranks.com/sea/345523/stimFatal/season/2

this is an account from your previous million man march thread that hasn't been played since april, and only has 100 ladder wins on it.
http://sea.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/180372/1/StimmedProbe/achievements/category/4325378

I bring this up because I've talked to a few of my practice partners about this build before (as well as your last guide), and they don't feel like it's a legitimate strategy beyond maybe low masters. When you throw around the term "grandmaster" it means you know what you are doing and people should listen. In logical reasoning terminology, it's known as an appeal to authority--that we should believe you because you're a high level player.

However, this isn't a build you've refined in ladder play (and if it is, you haven't posted any of those replays), and I don't see any evidence that you've ever been in GM league on any server. If I'm gravely mistaken then I sincerely do apologize for calling you out, but if indeed you aren't, I hope that you'll stop trying to mislead lower players into working on a build like this that many people have already stated is not very solid at higher level play. (here's a list of the current GM rankings on SEA http://www.playxp.com/sc2/ladder/1v1/sea.php )

And even that's okay, but please don't hype it to be some unbeatable build when it is untested and many good terran players openly disagree and have already left their comments in this thread.

On September 16 2011 11:43 DjRetro wrote:
This build looks awesome however like many others have said i think it's very risky if your opponent goes 4gate or any other stalker agression.

How do you deal against 4gate? i thank you a lot for sharing

Very funny replays as well ^^

On January 29 2012 12:59 DaemonX wrote:
Good reason to bump:

There have been MAJOR balance and metagame changes since this thread was last active.

Many of these would appear to directly affect the viablility of a play like this all-in - especially improved warp prisms, immortal range and guardian shield stacking, along with generally increased immortal usage.

However, from what I can see, the build seems to still work - albeit less aggresively. You can't push into an over-prepared protoss natural anymore or immortals WILL shut you down hard, but the contain aspect still works great.

1) Does anyone else think this specific style (raven-banshee-banshee starport play + siege contain with all-in scvs and structures) can cope with today's improved metagame - esp w/ fast prism counter attacks? The OP's suggestion of "LOL just lift to their natural" just doesn't cut it anymore.

2) Could there be a viable divergance point into macro in this build (either more 1-1-1 or modern mech play) - you 1 base up to the push, and if toss is overprepared, you banshee harass while setting up a contain back at his natural third line and take your own bases?

On September 01 2011 13:33 StimmedProbe wrote:


I recently got sponsored so my new name is CGFatal. Just got it recently so I haven't played too many games on there, but it is in masters. I have a smurf account which is in GM on SEA, I get recognized with my StimmedProbe on SEA too easily and ppl stalk me lol... Anyways since I don't wanna tell everyone the smurf name here is some proof for you:

1.) Recently won an HK tournament and I played a guy named inFiRoz 12 times in the tournament and my overall record vs him was 7:5. He is a rank 44 grandmaster. http://www.sc2ranks.com/sea/19519/inFiRoz Below is a highlight video I made of our winners bracket finals.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fBuEuu9pWE

2.) Season 2 promotion picture, the guy I beat in that picture (YoonYJ) was at the time ranked #4 in SEA, currently ranked #39. http://i.imgur.com/6jqhi.jpg

3.) Season 2 sc2ranks.com SEA server grandmaster stats sorted by winrate. 75%, behind moonglade who had 82%. My MMR had me constantly matched against the top 50 players in the region. http://i.imgur.com/WLS63.jpg

4.) April 12th, a TL user named Requisition posted this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=200525&currentpage=16#312

Hopefully that is enough to prove that I know what I'm talking about. Anyways about build doubts, I have done the build over 35 times, and crushed face with it every time. It was so effective it got boring after awhile to be really honest. Most of the replays were just me microing a bit and overpowering my opponent, or setting up an insane contain which lead to a victory a few minutes later. If the terran knows how to abuse zealot AI with SCVs, you are really really screwed trust me.... esp with a crisp build order like mine... the only times I have lost with this were when I skipped a bunker and got 4gated (greedy).

On February 02 2012 20:20 AfricanPsycho wrote:


111 and marine still SCV works at GM even after you play the guy several times, ima go play terran!!!