The Terran Help Me Thread - Page 284

On June 29 2012 00:09 Sianos wrote:


It depends on your playstyle and on your opponent´s Viking count. If you know he has just a few Vikings only with his army, you can try do do drops. If you both play passive with your armies or if you are containing him, you need to outproduce his Vikings to take control of your position. This should be easier with Marine-Tank because you will have more gas left than the meching player especially in the midgame.

On June 29 2012 09:29 Requiem- wrote:
Best Opener against random players?

On June 29 2012 20:29 monkybone wrote:


No one simply 6 pools and sends lings. You will have to deal with 1 or 2 drones blocking a potential wall-in. In no way does 1 rax FE make 6 pool a BO loss.

On June 29 2012 20:33 monkybone wrote:


Replay?

On June 29 2012 20:33 monkybone wrote:


Replay?

On June 29 2012 20:39 monkybone wrote:


Well, either that or explain your point. As it stands you simply denied my statement, not really an argument, is it?

[B]On June 29 2012 20:39 monkybone wrote:


Well, either that or explain your point. As it stands you simply denied my statement, not really an argument, is it? And I would think platinum league 6 pools would be irrelevant to this discussion... 6 pools have recently won games in GSL and TSL 4, so it's kind of silly implying it's only viable in platinum league.

On June 29 2012 20:46 monkybone wrote:


1) Why do you assume it's a 4 player map?

2) The drone or drones denies the 2nd depot until the lings come. Lings can come at around 3 minutes, it's not hard to deny a depot until this point. And even if the depot went up, a newly created depot can be focused down. It's the delay that is important. Furthermore, a drone scout is standard, and does not imply an early pool attack. So you won't know that the Zerg is trying to deny the wall in before you actually try to make the depot. Considering CC before 2nd depot is pretty much standard meta when 1 rax expanding vs Z nowadays, it makes it even more difficult.

On June 29 2012 20:52 monkybone wrote:


You won't start the CC before the lings come, and yes, it is standard meta. Practically every Terran does it.

Yes, a newly created depot won't get up if 3 lings are focusing it down, it doesn't build fast enough. It's all about the timing of when it's created.

On June 29 2012 20:52 monkybone wrote:


You won't start the CC before the lings come, and yes, it is standard meta. Practically every Terran does it.

Yes, a newly created depot won't get up if 3 lings are focusing it down, it doesn't build fast enough. It's all about the timing of when it's created.

On June 29 2012 22:45 Vivax wrote:
I struggle like crazy with ghost usage in lategame TvZ.

Whenever I try to snipe his infestors, the whole control gets messed up. EMPing them is easier, but inferior to snipe since the nerf, EMP is now really only viable for groups of templars since infestors are so big in size that you can at best hit two of them at once with it. Infestors have to be sniped.

Now whenever I try to snipe the pesky bastards, cries of rage start coming out of my apartment cause I just don't manage to queue the snipes up properly.

Multiple things can occur:

- I use one ghost to queue up snipes on one infestor, the ghost fires one shot, the infestor shot in the group moves back, ghost tries to follow that infestor and gets killed by lings/ultras/broodlings.
This is cause you can't chase units with snipe cause of the animation time, pretty retarded. Fungal for example is instantaneous and can be used while moving, sniping while moving is extremely hard, if not impossible. The ghost turns around, raises the rifle and that causes a stop-movement.

- I use the whole group of ghosts, start spamming R-left click while I click fast through the infestors. One misclick and I lose the whole control group and have to reselect it again. Meanwhile, the super fast zerg units don't even leave you time for that, not even to speak of one successful fungal. Once I lost the ghost control group cause I misclick once, I lose them all to a F-click + a-move.

-Similarly, I can simply hold the snipe hotkey and then click the infestors in succession. But here I lose control aswell if I misclick.

- I use the whole group, click move somewhere near the infestors then shift-click snipes on them. They will obviously only start shooting once they reach the issued move-command location. If it works, you have infestor slushie in a few seconds, but it's risky and almost never works, also, any mediocre zerg will have an overseer at this stage.


I just lost a game to this while I felt that I played way better than my opponent. But in the end i didn't manage to keep his infestors at bay cause of the crappy options for ghost control, and fungal made it impossible to micro my vikings against his corruptors. I ended up losing to his broodlords.

On June 30 2012 00:52 Iron_ wrote:


This is an issue that needs WAY more attention! I have the same problems with emp because of the animation. Ghost control is really bad and clunky compared to other caster types. I went into a unit tester and all of your issues are valid, and I found no way to fix them. I personally have settled on manually clicking R, and losing the control group if I miss once.

On the other hand, fungals are instant, storm is instant, feedback is instant, force fields are instant. In the unit tester I brought out some sentries and I was appalled at how easy it was to instantly smash down 10 FF's and rope in units (appalled because of how clunky ghost control is in comparison, if ghost control was stupid easy too it would be fine).

On the surface this looks like another example of Terran just being harder to play, but it really just just a design/art flaw. Lets get some traction on this. There is no reason for it to stay this way.

On June 29 2012 04:36 Starshaped wrote:


Some thoughts:

If you scout hatch first, start your expo, and get your double gas, before your 1st marine and before your 2nd depot. It's not a huge thing perhaps, but it makes a difference.

I've been doing both 1-1-1 for banshee/raven after expo and 2fac as you did in the replay, and I'm not entirely convinced which is best, but if you're gonna go 2fac you need to get tanks and siege before blueflame if you want to be safe. Roach aggression could have ended that game very badly for you. I'd say the advantage of banshee (and raven) is that you can scout better, you can snipe banelings if you're getting all-inned, and you can pick off a few creep tumours, and fast burrow abuse won't catch you off-guard. Plus you can get a viking to snipe overlords a lot faster, and can start a slow buildup of vikings to deal with drops. Though you did get a fairly fast port. I usually delay it until 3base is up when I go 2fac.

Your gas is extremely late at your expansion. It might seem like you have enough for the time being, but mech eats gas really fast, so you want to build up that gas-bank as soon as possible. Especially since you didn't go for a fast 3rd. Also especially since you went for double armoury.

You're kind of playing a bit bold, considering you have basically nothing to stop mutalisks with at 12 minutes in. I like getting fast 2 thors just to be safe, and then resume tank production. An alternative to this is to continually make marines from your barracks, so you have a good chunk of marines to deal with any surprise mutalisks.

General macro problems. Add more facs sooner and never stop pumping hellions, and keep trying to be annoying with hellions.

You move out your 3rd at the 15 minute mark. This is fairly late considering how the game has played out. Generally you want it started around 8 minutes and planted down at around 12.

It is smart to send hellions out at the same time you took your 3rd, to be safe. So, props on that. On Ohana, though, it's much better to siege up outside your nat, as it covers everything more easily.

You need sensor towers to see potential drops coming. Even with a turret ring a doom drop will instantly lose you the game if you don't see it in time.

Tanks out in the open like you did won't land you a cost-effective battle. You need a better spread and more units in front of your tanks. And always focus down infestors with your tanks if you can.

When the Zerg is posturing outside your base like your opponent was, try to just send random hellions to his mineral lines. It will force a reaction and give you some breathing room and space to set up for a good engagement.

With all this said, I have an absolutely atrocious win-percentage in TvZ at the moment, with mech especially. I understand it's very difficult to execute perfectly and there are a lot of points where you can just straight up instantly lose the game. But keep fighting the good fight~