EPTAlso what's a good build that's safe against a roach/ling/bling attack? I got promoted to diamond and that allin is the only thing zergs are doing.
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kranten
Netherlands236 Posts
Also what's a good build that's safe against a roach/ling/bling attack? I got promoted to diamond and that allin is the only thing zergs are doing. | ||
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saaaa
Germany419 Posts
What Bio opening is stronger the 2 Rax (Reactor first) Push or the naked 5 Rax? I struggle to decide which opening i should use more.. If i went for No Gas Fe into 1/1/1 do i have any strong attack timing with Tank+Banshee+Marine? | ||
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Chaggi
Korea (South)1936 Posts
On June 13 2012 21:47 saaaa wrote: i have some questions about the TvP match up What Bio opening is stronger the 2 Rax (Reactor first) Push or the naked 5 Rax? I struggle to decide which opening i should use more.. If i went for No Gas Fe into 1/1/1 do i have any strong attack timing with Tank+Banshee+Marine? both are strong, equally strong but in different ways. i think the naked 5 rax is a stronger push, but tech of yours is gonna be much later than a 2rax. also i think a 5 rax will have a stronger econ. edit: rather, i'm a fan of the 5 rax. it looks exactly like a 1 rax expand into 3 rax, and if you clear the watch towers, most protoss won't know what hit them. if they're not prepared for it, they can easily just straight up lose, especially if they went super greedy and got only 1 gate. even with 3 gates, you can do a lot of damage i think 2 rax is strong too, but if you look at supply depot timings, you can easily see it coming imo | ||
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DelugeSC
United States96 Posts
On June 13 2012 21:47 saaaa wrote: i have some questions about the TvP match up What Bio opening is stronger the 2 Rax (Reactor first) Push or the naked 5 Rax? I struggle to decide which opening i should use more.. If i went for No Gas Fe into 1/1/1 do i have any strong attack timing with Tank+Banshee+Marine? 1 Rax FE into 3 rax is the most standard, safe, and strong build you can learn as a Terran against Protoss. It's safe against early game cheese and sets you up for solid aggression around 10 minutes. There are multiple variations of different gas timings to get a multitude of different upgrades such as stim, +1, CS, and concussive with the attack, and most builds will get you 2 Medivacs at the timing as well. Bomber's TvP build should be either on or very close to the front page, I recommend learning that. | ||
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kranten
Netherlands236 Posts
On June 13 2012 10:07 goFLiP wrote: It's amazing how broken roach bling ling timing push is. Obviously nothing happens and meanwhile Z's get free wins. Feels like TvZ when WoL came out except now Terran is getting fucked. Well it's not broken but it's really strong, 6 out of 7 zergs I've faced today used that allin. It's so frustrating since I never even go fast 3rd. I had a 88% win ratio in TvZ (about 30 games) since may 1st but today I went 1-6 t.t | ||
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Sianos
580 Posts
On June 13 2012 21:42 kranten wrote: What can I to do deny creep spread? They have 4 queens so I can't get anything done with hellions. Also what's a good build that's safe against a roach/ling/bling attack? I got promoted to diamond and that allin is the only thing zergs are doing. You can still use the Hellions, but you need to have 6. With 6 Hellions even the Queens get a bit in trouble. What i´m currently doing is a 1 Rax fe into a Combat Shield timing push to deny a fast 3rd, which works really well. You play it like TvP, but you get your Combat Shield first instead of Stim first. The push hit´s ~ 7:30, which is quite early with ~ 20 Marines + Combat Shield. That´s a time, where most Zerg´s don´t have much units and Marines + Combat Shields standing before a wall needs a very large amount of Zerglings to beat or Banes/Roach. If they don´t take a fast 3rd i just do a timing push with Marines,Tanks and Medivacs with +1 arround the 10 Minute mark and kill creep while i´m pushing. To stay safe aggainst Roach/Bane allins you need either Tanks or a lot of Marines presplittet and a good walling. | ||
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freerolll
Belgium1056 Posts
Season 7 Is when I switched to terran and season 8 got demoted to silver......... So my biggest problems are how to pressure and harras zerg in the mid game. And dealing with protoss lategame also what tto go vs mass infestor | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25551 Posts
On June 13 2012 21:31 monkybone wrote: Not really, you can take scvs out of gas you know. There is a common build that mines only 50 gas in order to get a quick reactor after the first marine, and then CC. The CC will be delayed for about 20 seconds, but it gives you the ability to open aggressively, and transition more quickly into a variety of things depending on when you put scvs back on gas. Besides, a gas opening keeps the Protoss guessing and might not even throw down a quick nexus in the first place. Alive is also doing a weird 2 rax, one proxied vs toss to deny a nexus first, and just floating back if there is no nexus first. I feel that this makes you vulnerable to early warpgate attacks. Um, I actually specifically mention the 1 tax reactor FE with limited gas mining in the post you quoted and supposedly read, but thank you for the input nonetheless. | ||
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LukasG
Germany95 Posts
I need help, last ladder game i was facoing a Zerg. He played a ling bane allin vs my 1 Rax FE i dont know how to hold this type of 2 base allin. Should i build a second bunker? I am a Diamond League Terrran  I hope u can help me Thanks in advance LukasG replay: http://drop.sc/196884 | ||
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Douillos
France3195 Posts
EDIT: What i mean is that your armory finishes at the same time your +1's and you have enough gas for +2 +2 | ||
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zmansman17
United States2567 Posts
On June 14 2012 00:32 Douillos wrote: If you put down double engineering bay as Terran and start double upgrades, on how many gasses do you have to be so that you can go engie bay's -> double ups-> fact -> armory -> double ups again? EDIT: What i mean is that your armory finishes at the same time your +1's and you have enough gas for +2 +2 If you are going double ebay and expecting to go factory and reactor starport medivac, you will need all 4 gas. If you are going 1 ebay, you can maintain just 3 gas. | ||
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zmansman17
United States2567 Posts
On June 13 2012 22:55 freerolll wrote: Hmmm I just recently switched to terran I was a protoss for 6 seasons and achieved gold leaugue and was playing platnums. Season 7 Is when I switched to terran and season 8 got demoted to silver......... So my biggest problems are how to pressure and harras zerg in the mid game. And dealing with protoss lategame also what tto go vs mass infestor Yeah this experience of dropping several leagues is not uncommon when someone switches to Terran. Drops are your best bet to harass Zerg in the mid game. And if not drops, then some hellion harass. Make sure to make earlier pushes to keep that creep at bay | ||
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ShaneFeit
92 Posts
Does anyone have any good advice or tips and tricks for SCV distribution? For instance, right now I Maynard 4-6 SCVs to my natural upon completion and once my third is done I transfer some from the main and some from the natural and then rally all my CCs to the third. But I somehow feel this is not optimal and I want to spend some APM to do this better. So whats the best way of checking saturation and distributing SCVs? | ||
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DelugeSC
United States96 Posts
On June 14 2012 00:17 LukasG wrote: Hey I need help, last ladder game i was facoing a Zerg. He played a ling bane allin vs my 1 Rax FE i dont know how to hold this type of 2 base allin. Should i build a second bunker? I am a Diamond League Terrran I hope u can help me Thanks in advance LukasG replay: http://drop.sc/196884 A solid wall will really help against this type of all-in. That, and not losing your early Hellions. If you can make a wall with a bunker BEHIND the wall, it's very easily held and can lead to some free wins. | ||
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BenS64
England2 Posts
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zezamer
Finland5701 Posts
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jabberjaw
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DelugeSC
United States96 Posts
On June 14 2012 02:42 BenS64 wrote: Can someone please link me 3 builds for each matchup that are relatively simple (for a silverleague player) that I can learn to master the basics of Terran? There is one build you can practice getting good with in all 3 match-ups; 1 Barracks Fast Expand. 10 Supply Depot 12 Barracks 15 Orbital Command 16 Command Center 17 Supply Depot, Bunker 18 Refinery, Refinery After that I would suggest thinking for yourself. In silver league you should be able to mess around with builds of your own and hone in on some good strategies to get you up to at least Platinum. Focus on macro; keep up production and keep your money low. Good luck! | ||
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Pillage
United States804 Posts
On June 14 2012 03:30 zezamer wrote: So does anyone have a +50% win ratio TvZ build to share ? I've been doing a marine hellion push that hits around the 10 minute mark. This was originally posted by IAmJeffrey. - 10 Depot - 12/13 rax, your choice - 16/17 Orbital, constant Marine production - 18 CC - 19 Double Gas - 24 Factory - 26 Orbital - 27 Barracks x 2 - When factory is 75% complete, tech lab on rax start stim immediately - Engineering Bay right after that, start plus 1 attack upon completion. - Put a second tech lab on the rax right away and start combat shields research - You'll be able to start your third around the 9 min mark. - Produce Marines and hellions constantly, you can harass with the hellions but DO NOT LOSE THEM. They are very important to the push. This push shits all over early third builds from zerg. The hellion - upgraded marine combo eats zerglings for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. You can easily kill a whole round of zerglings, plenty of drones, and some queen with this push, which hurts the zerg very badly, and gives you plenty of time to get your third established. | ||
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freerolll
Belgium1056 Posts
Im silver leaugue if that is important http://drop.sc/197242 http://drop.sc/197241 | ||
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