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daft21
Switzerland15 Posts
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Blackknight232
United States169 Posts
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iAmJeffReY
United States4262 Posts
On May 08 2012 09:01 Blackknight232 wrote: Is 1/1/1 style late game really effective in any m.u just wondering cause i've had successive results with it and i'm plat terran btw No, it's a timing kind of thing. If you mean continual marine/tank/banshee or medic, yes it works in both TvZ and TvT. It's a timer based thing in TvP tho. Upgrades from protoss ( charge blink immortal collsai range attack/armor grades negate 1-1-1) | ||
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DelugeSC
United States96 Posts
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Captain Marksie
40 Posts
On May 08 2012 09:49 DelugeSC wrote: Does anyone have a guide for the MMM timing push off of a 1 rax FE in TvP? I'm not looking for a Day9 video where he goofs off half the time; just a simple build order and timing explanation for the build and ideal timings? There's a strong ~10:30 MMM timing attack with +1 Attackand Stim which i've seen a lot of pros doing in streams. FilterSC has a good guide on it, search FilterSC on youtube (cant remember exactly which video it is). Build order goes as follows (not really a supply count build order) 10-Depot 12-Rax 14-Depot (wall off) 17-Orbital (after 16th scv, you can queue 2 marines in your rax as soon as it finishes and still have enough to get the orbital) Just before OC finishes send scv to natural. When OC finishes build scv, drop mule, then build CC on low ground. Continuous SCV and Marine production Then when you have the minerals: Depot Bunker Rax Rax Double Gas Upgrade CC to Orbital when it finishes As you have the gas Reactor, Reactor, Techlab. Next 100 gas factory and 3rd refinery Next 100 gas Stim E-Bay Reactor on factory, build starport (switch once complete) Move out when first two medivacs come out which should be about 10mins and stim should also be finished and +1 should be about 20seconds away (so it finishes just before you reach the enemy base.) I like to rally reinforcements to his tower or bottom of his ramp so if he has taken a third i have reinforcements to help punish him but if he is still on 2 base and has a lot of units to defend and enough sentries etc so that going up his ramp is a bad idea i can just sit outside his base and build up an army and prevent his third. Combat shields will also be on the way so i can just wait till that finishes and hit him then. Follow up: Start combat shields as soon as stim finishes Build CC before or as you leave to attack, also take spare refinery, then Armory and E-bay (start +2 +1 as soon as possible), more rax, ghost academy, 2nd starport if you see colossus. Need to keep up quite a bit of aggression and try and deny his 3rd base for as long as possible. If he manages to take his third you have to have a fourth up and running and deny his fourth. Protoss' late game composition is very strong but very gas heavy and in denying him from taking bases means that as long as you keep trading and making him spend his gas eventually he wont be able to rebuild as fast as you and you should win. | ||
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Cycle
United States300 Posts
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Wrathsc2
United States2025 Posts
On May 08 2012 11:45 Cycle wrote: I'm making battlecruisers TvP. Do I get +1 atk first or +1 armor first? atk is better for vikings as well. plating wont really affect shots done from protoss units and storm/feedback dont care about it either | ||
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maglame
Norway10 Posts
When should I stop making workers? I've heard something about the 72 worker mark, which makes some sense I suppose. But I would like to have some clarification on this. Secondly, when I get stuck on two bases a little longer than I would like, am I supposed to cut worker production until I can expand again, or do I just keep going and over saturate my two bases? | ||
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Account252508
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dotDash
Sweden142 Posts
On May 08 2012 11:45 Cycle wrote: I'm making battlecruisers TvP. Do I get +1 atk first or +1 armor first? I would recommend +atk since a lot of the attacks the P does will ignore the armor. Also, you have PDDs at your disposal to remove the attacks they do entirely. Also, some attacks benefit more from attacks than others, like the viking one. Cheers Dan | ||
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BoggieMan
520 Posts
On May 08 2012 09:49 DelugeSC wrote: Does anyone have a guide for the MMM timing push off of a 1 rax FE in TvP? I'm not looking for a Day9 video where he goofs off half the time; just a simple build order and timing explanation for the build and ideal timings? a standard stim medivac timing attack is 1 rax cc -> 3 rax + ebay then factory then starport then attack with first 2 medvacs and stim and cshield. will force the protoss to warp in sentries which costs alot of gas that he could use on tech. best on maps like metalopolis where he cannot just ff the entrance to his natural like on for example shakuras. you can drop his main if all his units are guarding the natural when your army is outside his natural. if you scout collusi too late you should back off and defend until vikings are out, he will be able to forcefield and just crush you. normally you can take a third behind this. | ||
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BoggieMan
520 Posts
On May 08 2012 11:45 Cycle wrote: I'm making battlecruisers TvP. Do I get +1 atk first or +1 armor first? that depends, you making them off 2/3 base or lategame ? in lategame you should have + air attack already for vikings. but mostly stalkers just crush battlecruisers, so you can force stalkers with them, and then make marauders. be careful with feedback on the bcs. | ||
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iNViCiOUZ
Germany364 Posts
I'm doing the standard reactored hellion expand. I arrive at his natural with 4 hellions (2 more in production) I take a peak and see 2 queens, about 8 zerglings and 2 spines ~ 10 secs to finish. What should I do? - i could runby the spines and kill a view drones & zerglings but would loose the hellions. I have two more but they arrive to late to deny a quick third, are easy surronded by speedlings. - cancel the 2 hellions - build the hellions anyway now 6) to deny thrid & creep -build the hellions (now 6) and try a runby to his main. 2. So I decided to go in with 4 hellions. how do I micro them to ge the most from it. I mostly go behind the mineral line of the natural but get easy surronded by queen + zerglings | ||
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Willzzz
United Kingdom774 Posts
With hellions, whether you have 4 or 6 it doesn't matter, 400/600 minerals isn't a big deal. If you are not sure just keep them alive, helllions are always useful. | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On May 08 2012 23:51 iNViCiOUZ wrote: TvZ: I'm doing the standard reactored hellion expand. I arrive at his natural with 4 hellions (2 more in production) I take a peak and see 2 queens, about 8 zerglings and 2 spines ~ 10 secs to finish. What should I do? Unless you have great micro and multitasking, don't try to kill drones; containing him with your Hellions will do. Cancelling Hellions 5 & 6 is up to your build; 2 Spines usually means heavy droning, possibly with delayed Speedling. If you scouted no gas with SCV scout and 2 spines, you may go fast third directly on the spot. | ||
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DelugeSC
United States96 Posts
On May 09 2012 00:10 TheDwf wrote: Unless you have great micro and multitasking, don't try to kill drones; containing him with your Hellions will do. Cancelling Hellions 5 & 6 is up to your build; 2 Spines usually means heavy droning, possibly with delayed Speedling. If you scouted no gas with SCV scout and 2 spines, you may go fast third directly on the spot. Agreed. Unless you are sure you an outright kill him with the 4 Hellions it is much more effective to take a fast 3rd and prepare for a hard-hitting timing attack. Use the Hellions to zone him in and contain him. While this isn't as immediately gratifying, it will pay off in mid-game. | ||
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zmansman17
United States2567 Posts
On May 09 2012 00:05 Willzzz wrote: If you are even considering making BC vs toss you have probably already won. If it matters, don't make BCs. With hellions, whether you have 4 or 6 it doesn't matter, 400/600 minerals isn't a big deal. If you are not sure just keep them alive, helllions are always useful. Actually don't use BCs unless in TvT late game. Even in TvZ they are weak sauce | ||
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nojok
France15846 Posts
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Cycle
United States300 Posts
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NihiLStarcraft
Denmark1413 Posts
On May 09 2012 02:23 nojok wrote: I'm plat, when I face protoss I go classic 1 rax exe, 3 rax pressure when first 2 medivacs are out with stim. But when they rush colossi, I have a hard time taking them down. Should I scout they don't have sentries early and go for more pressure? Is there a bit of macro to take this 1 or 2 early colossi down? Is my macro so bad I don't hit enough early? I feel I often move at 10. If you begin moving out at 10:00 game time and you are really doing the aggressive 1 rax CC into 3 rax total push with as much Marine/Marauder as possible, the first two Medivacs and Stim (and nothing else) then you are indeed almost a minute late. Refine your build by watching pro replays (or post a replay of yourself) and you should be able to pull it all off a bit quicker. It's extremely important to never get supply blocked and really get that push out as soon as humanly possible because if your opponent is rushing colossi, as you mentioned, you should be able to hit him when he's on just one Colossus. He will have rushed that one Colossus like crazy, so he can't have much of a gateway support army (or Thermal Lance). With stim you should be able to do a lot of damage at that point (use your stimmed Marauders to focus fire the Colossus). But if you screwed up or didn't pull the build off just right and you're just 30 seconds late, he might well have a second Colossus there and then he's pretty much in the safe zone already and there's not much you can do to keep the game from going into the late game where it'll be even harder for you to win. Be aware, though, depending on the map (how easy/feasible it is to use forcefields on the ramp/entry to his natural) it might not even be possible to punish a Colossus rush straight up. In that case I drop to pull his army away from the ramp, then stim and run into his natural with my main army (kinda banking on the fact that he messes up his forcefields with the drop going on at the same time). It isn't pretty or elegant but it works pretty frequently at Diamond level and - at any rate - it's a lot better then going to the late game without putting on pressure and doing damage. | ||
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