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kc
Profile Joined August 2006
Canada212 Posts
March 17 2012 11:05 GMT
#3621
whats the perfect counter to a greedy fast 3rd from zergs from standard helion opener. is it fast seige and rally as soon as u have 2 tanks?
saaaa
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany419 Posts
March 17 2012 11:54 GMT
#3622
when should i do an all-in follow up of a 2 rax (reactor first) in TvP?

when he expand and i don't able to kill his expand?
kc
Profile Joined August 2006
Canada212 Posts
March 17 2012 13:30 GMT
#3623
thats really risky saaaa, he can just scout it and build sentries and cut off your army.
Yohsc2
Profile Joined August 2011
28 Posts
March 17 2012 14:28 GMT
#3624
Hey guys, anyone can tell me what went wrong? its a tvz and i dont know why i get roflstomped like that...

http://drop.sc/135429
KroN
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany438 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-17 14:52:10
March 17 2012 14:50 GMT
#3625
Hey,

i have TvZ problems... My games mostly look like the following

- Reactor Hellion Expand
- Deny Creep, sometimes get many dronekills, very few times game ends, mostly i dont run in unless i see the spine moving and no lings.
- get stim, make a 2 medivac - stim - ~20 marine timint, drop or to clear creep, look for a third. Most of the time he just cleans up with mass mass ling into infestors, i rarely see mutas anymore (have no problem handling them mostly)

now most of the time the zerg gets his 3rd or even forth up and is on mass mass ling, so i cant move out with a 3-4 tanks push, it will get crushed, atleast thats how i feel

i normally have m,y 3rd CC rdy and take my 3rd about 10-13min. then ill get my upgrades fast and get so 2-1 with 150 supply about 15-17min and move out. Most of the time i get crushed with BLs already, or i trade well, or i get overrun with ultras.

my main poroblem is i cant really take a fast forth on most maps and i just get overrun. drtops are shut down most of the time by mass ling and some banes again.

then ill get starved and die. My only chances in ZvT are mostly winning in the early midgame. Any advice? how do you take the map without maxes supply? i always feel like im getting overrun... level is high diamond, playing some masters also, but low masters.

TL;DR i pressure but dont kill him in the early mid game, then i feel i cant pressure him until i have 10ü supply and he macros like crazy and overruns me with so much money and tons of bases
thanks
iAmJeffReY
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4262 Posts
March 17 2012 15:05 GMT
#3626
On March 17 2012 23:50 KroN wrote:
Hey,

i have TvZ problems... My games mostly look like the following

- Reactor Hellion Expand
- Deny Creep, sometimes get many dronekills, very few times game ends, mostly i dont run in unless i see the spine moving and no lings.
- get stim, make a 2 medivac - stim - ~20 marine timint, drop or to clear creep, look for a third. Most of the time he just cleans up with mass mass ling into infestors, i rarely see mutas anymore (have no problem handling them mostly)

now most of the time the zerg gets his 3rd or even forth up and is on mass mass ling, so i cant move out with a 3-4 tanks push, it will get crushed, atleast thats how i feel

i normally have m,y 3rd CC rdy and take my 3rd about 10-13min. then ill get my upgrades fast and get so 2-1 with 150 supply about 15-17min and move out. Most of the time i get crushed with BLs already, or i trade well, or i get overrun with ultras.

my main poroblem is i cant really take a fast forth on most maps and i just get overrun. drtops are shut down most of the time by mass ling and some banes again.

then ill get starved and die. My only chances in ZvT are mostly winning in the early midgame. Any advice? how do you take the map without maxes supply? i always feel like im getting overrun... level is high diamond, playing some masters also, but low masters.

TL;DR i pressure but dont kill him in the early mid game, then i feel i cant pressure him until i have 10ü supply and he macros like crazy and overruns me with so much money and tons of bases
thanks

Post a replay. I poop on zergs without having to take a 4th base most times. 3 Base terran can do a LOT against zerg.
Unbiased biased terran abuser Jeffrey. Sorry for the rage, friend!
saaaa
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany419 Posts
March 17 2012 17:25 GMT
#3627
On March 17 2012 22:30 kc wrote:
thats really risky saaaa, he can just scout it and build sentries and cut off your army.



yeah but i mean with all-in 2 rax+ Starport and with my medivac support i can drop and stim before combat shield is really important if i choose this follow up... but i don't know exactly when i should do it.

iAmJeffReY
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4262 Posts
March 17 2012 17:36 GMT
#3628
On March 18 2012 02:25 saaaa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2012 22:30 kc wrote:
thats really risky saaaa, he can just scout it and build sentries and cut off your army.



yeah but i mean with all-in 2 rax+ Starport and with my medivac support i can drop and stim before combat shield is really important if i choose this follow up... but i don't know exactly when i should do it.


Combat shields is always important if you plan to go any amount of marines...?
Unbiased biased terran abuser Jeffrey. Sorry for the rage, friend!
KroN
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany438 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-17 18:03:11
March 17 2012 17:58 GMT
#3629
On March 18 2012 00:05 iAmJeffReY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2012 23:50 KroN wrote:
Hey,

i have TvZ problems... My games mostly look like the following

- Reactor Hellion Expand
- Deny Creep, sometimes get many dronekills, very few times game ends, mostly i dont run in unless i see the spine moving and no lings.
- get stim, make a 2 medivac - stim - ~20 marine timint, drop or to clear creep, look for a third. Most of the time he just cleans up with mass mass ling into infestors, i rarely see mutas anymore (have no problem handling them mostly)

now most of the time the zerg gets his 3rd or even forth up and is on mass mass ling, so i cant move out with a 3-4 tanks push, it will get crushed, atleast thats how i feel

i normally have m,y 3rd CC rdy and take my 3rd about 10-13min. then ill get my upgrades fast and get so 2-1 with 150 supply about 15-17min and move out. Most of the time i get crushed with BLs already, or i trade well, or i get overrun with ultras.

my main poroblem is i cant really take a fast forth on most maps and i just get overrun. drtops are shut down most of the time by mass ling and some banes again.

then ill get starved and die. My only chances in ZvT are mostly winning in the early midgame. Any advice? how do you take the map without maxes supply? i always feel like im getting overrun... level is high diamond, playing some masters also, but low masters.

TL;DR i pressure but dont kill him in the early mid game, then i feel i cant pressure him until i have 10ü supply and he macros like crazy and overruns me with so much money and tons of bases
thanks

Post a replay. I poop on zergs without having to take a 4th base most times. 3 Base terran can do a LOT against zerg.


Here is an example of a longer game!

http://drop.sc/135482

Problems in my head (not the obvious macro/micro diamond mistakes)

- forgot upgrades for too long.... should have had them much earlier
- Harrass did too few damage
- When i finally get a got spot with my tank/marine push his BLs come and from then the game gets out of hand
- Every time i move out, he can just amove into my 3rd and hell be fine when i finally arrive at his base
- The ending is pretty messy, please look for the big midgame problems, i should be able to kill zergs on 3 bases, but mass ling just destroys any pushes i make somehow.

Thanks
saaaa
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany419 Posts
March 17 2012 19:02 GMT
#3630
On March 18 2012 02:36 iAmJeffReY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2012 02:25 saaaa wrote:
On March 17 2012 22:30 kc wrote:
thats really risky saaaa, he can just scout it and build sentries and cut off your army.



yeah but i mean with all-in 2 rax+ Starport and with my medivac support i can drop and stim before combat shield is really important if i choose this follow up... but i don't know exactly when i should do it.


Combat shields is always important if you plan to go any amount of marines...?


yeah but stim is more important if i want to follow up with an medivac bio all-in @ 9-10 Min

but i just want to know when should i do a all-in?
Chaggi
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)1936 Posts
March 17 2012 21:02 GMT
#3631
On March 18 2012 04:02 saaaa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2012 02:36 iAmJeffReY wrote:
On March 18 2012 02:25 saaaa wrote:
On March 17 2012 22:30 kc wrote:
thats really risky saaaa, he can just scout it and build sentries and cut off your army.



yeah but i mean with all-in 2 rax+ Starport and with my medivac support i can drop and stim before combat shield is really important if i choose this follow up... but i don't know exactly when i should do it.


Combat shields is always important if you plan to go any amount of marines...?


yeah but stim is more important if i want to follow up with an medivac bio all-in @ 9-10 Min

but i just want to know when should i do a all-in?


As soon as stim and medivacs come out. But I really dont think it's a good idea. Seems too weak against FF
boppel
Profile Joined March 2012
140 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-18 02:01:30
March 18 2012 01:49 GMT
#3632
hey, i did not played for over 9 months.. and i wanted to shorten the time till diablo 3 release with mass laddering from bronze to diamond again, i lost my 5 games on purpose to not get beaten like a punching bag in the diamond ladder -.-
quick question before the main question, is the 1/1/1 still playable?
is the 2rax expand still good against every race?

please guys, i need the "AT THE MOMENT" standard build orders for every matchup

tvz
tvp
and tvt


thank you
zezamer
Profile Joined March 2011
Finland5701 Posts
March 18 2012 02:24 GMT
#3633
tvz reactor hellion into fast drop or 3rd
tvp 1 rax fe into 11min mmm timing into 3rd and
tvt 1 rax fe or 1-1-1 cloak banshee expo into marine tank medic or mech
-Debaser-
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States329 Posts
March 18 2012 02:52 GMT
#3634
how do i deal with warp prism colo rush when i gasless fe? i lose every time to it so damn strong as i usually only have marines out when it comes
TL+ Member
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25563 Posts
March 18 2012 03:37 GMT
#3635
On March 18 2012 11:52 Foogazi wrote:
how do i deal with warp prism colo rush when i gasless fe? i lose every time to it so damn strong as i usually only have marines out when it comes


typically you're going to need to tech to viking. If you're taking your double gas on time after getting up to 3 rax, you'll still have some awkward moments where he can deal some damage and you're just relying on marines. On certain maps like Tal'Darim with spacious mains this can be really annoying. My advice is: Don't fly out your CC, or if you do, don't maynard your dudes there yet. get a viking out ASAP, and if all else fails a well-placed turret at the corner of a mineral line will outrange a colossus. Remember that he's stuck on colossus tech for a couple of minutes, so you can execute a push or get map control for a quick third (if he expoed behind it) with the appropriate counter tech.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
boppel
Profile Joined March 2012
140 Posts
March 18 2012 04:04 GMT
#3636
On March 18 2012 11:24 zezamer wrote:
tvz reactor hellion into fast drop or 3rd
tvp 1 rax fe into 11min mmm timing into 3rd and
tvt 1 rax fe or 1-1-1 cloak banshee expo into marine tank medic or mech

thanks <3
shody06
Profile Joined November 2011
United States3 Posts
March 18 2012 13:43 GMT
#3637
I am horrible against Zerg I play an all bio style cuz I can't seem to control my tanks well enough the question I have is what can I do to some how win I drop and keep up the aggression but it seems it doesn't
After the Zerg is always ahead and I end up getting stuck on 3 base and can't move.
iAmJeffReY
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4262 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-18 13:46:33
March 18 2012 13:46 GMT
#3638
On March 18 2012 22:43 shody06 wrote:
I am horrible against Zerg I play an all bio style cuz I can't seem to control my tanks well enough the question I have is what can I do to some how win I drop and keep up the aggression but it seems it doesn't
After the Zerg is always ahead and I end up getting stuck on 3 base and can't move.

Keep tanks then, just for defensive play, and continue to deny creep and expos with bio + drops, then move out with a doom push with 7+ tanks, and go about it that way.

Don't shun tanks in any match up. You need to learn to use them to be effective in TvT and TvZ higher level.
Unbiased biased terran abuser Jeffrey. Sorry for the rage, friend!
Beastyqt
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Serbia516 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-18 13:55:57
March 18 2012 13:55 GMT
#3639
Someone help me TvP anyone got some nice allins?
Stream: http://www.twitch.tv/Beastyqt YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/beastyqtsc2
c0se
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany148 Posts
March 18 2012 14:04 GMT
#3640
On March 18 2012 22:55 Empire.Beastyqt wrote:
Someone help me TvP anyone got some nice allins?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=290571
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