EPTHow much does 1 refinery support given its fully saturated? Is there a rule of thumb I can use like: 1 refinery supports constant siege tank production from 1 factory or constant double viking from reactored starport or 3rax constantly producing marauders? Does anyone have a list of what you can support per 1 refinery (provided constant production)?? Thanks a bunch.
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hersenen
Belize176 Posts
How much does 1 refinery support given its fully saturated? Is there a rule of thumb I can use like: 1 refinery supports constant siege tank production from 1 factory or constant double viking from reactored starport or 3rax constantly producing marauders? Does anyone have a list of what you can support per 1 refinery (provided constant production)?? Thanks a bunch. | ||
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
1 rafinery is often enough to produce marauder from two techlab rax. 3 gas is a good setup to start medivac production in TvP too. | ||
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dmg7
101 Posts
On January 12 2012 00:14 hersenen wrote: Hello, in my games I ususally am either floating a ton of gas or starved for gas so my quesiton is: How much does 1 refinery support given its fully saturated? Is there a rule of thumb I can use like: 1 refinery supports constant siege tank production from 1 factory or constant double viking from reactored starport or 3rax constantly producing marauders? Does anyone have a list of what you can support per 1 refinery (provided constant production)?? Thanks a bunch. Hi hersenen, it's quite a tricky thing because it's not just production facilities, but add-ons, engi bay upgrades etc. As a rule on 1 gas you can produce of 3rax (2 react., 1 tech lab) and can upgrade all bio upgrades. 2 gas you can add factories and starports and begin semi decent production of medivacs and tanks, however, you can support standard composition (in TvT and TvZ) of 3 rax(2 rct, tl) a factory (tl) a starport (rct) and upgrading engi bays w/ armory on 4 gas and you shouldn't ever float too much. One of the things I find is that if I'm going very bio heavy w/ fast upgrades then I will get 2 refineries in the early stages but put 2 workers in each refinery as opposed to 3, then when I add a reactored starport I will begin to put 3 in each refinery. If you float gas make sure you are getting you're upgrades, in tvt and tvz you can add an extra factory and produce more tanks, basically tech units are gas intensive not mineral intensive and so if you find you are floating too much gas invest into more tech. | ||
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ThaSlayer
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On January 12 2012 00:14 hersenen wrote: Hello, in my games I ususally am either floating a ton of gas or starved for gas so my quesiton is: How much does 1 refinery support given its fully saturated? Is there a rule of thumb I can use like: 1 refinery supports constant siege tank production from 1 factory or constant double viking from reactored starport or 3rax constantly producing marauders? Does anyone have a list of what you can support per 1 refinery (provided constant production)?? Thanks a bunch. One fully saturated Refinery provides ~114 gas per minut. Constant Tank production drains 166 gas per minut. Constant Marauder production on a Barracks drains 50 gas per minut. Constant Viking production on a Reactor Starport drains 214 gas per minut. Constant Medivac production on a Reactor Starport drains 285 gas per minut. On January 12 2012 00:57 ThaSlayer wrote: Hey fellow Terrans. I played a peculiar Marine Tank T v T in which my opponent started getting cloaked ghosts to nuke my siege line, as well as my expos. I followed up with ravens but realised that their detection range was simply too limited. Any advice should I ever encounter late game ghosts in T v T again? Use scans by late game. | ||
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ThaSlayer
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dmg7
101 Posts
On January 12 2012 01:01 ThaSlayer wrote: Another question, if protoss opens robo expand instead of 1 gate fe, do I proceed to pressure him with 12-15 marines after a 1 rax fe into a 4 rax follow up? Or do I macro up in my base? Post a replay slayer, hard to visualise or know, it really depends on units he gets, corner he cuts etc. if they go robo expand you are less obliged to do any damage or pressure as you have an economical advantage over them. | ||
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saaaa
Germany419 Posts
i do the following at the moment: - 1 Rax FE into 4 Rax+Ebay+Starport with a Double MediVac Drop with all +1 Attack, Stim, Combat maybe i just throw down only rax and attack him i dont know exactly and another problem i have is when should i add thors and ghosts? i there any key timing? | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25562 Posts
On January 12 2012 05:52 saaaa wrote: what is the best response after i holding off a 6pool? ( with best i mean the hardest for the zerg) i do the following at the moment: - 1 Rax FE into 4 Rax+Ebay+Starport with a Double MediVac Drop with all +1 Attack, Stim, Combat maybe i just throw down only rax and attack him i dont know exactly Assuming you didn't lose anything, you just want to start pressuring him ASAP while taking your own natural. I'd just execute a standard reactor hellion expand, make like 6 hellions, and make life at his natural hell. Transition to marine/tank as normal and there should be nothing he can do to stop you. | ||
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saaaa
Germany419 Posts
On January 12 2012 05:52 saaaa wrote: and another problem i have is when should i add thors and ghosts? i there any key timing? sry i just added this .. :/ in fact, i dont should wait until the 10min mark with my push (at this time the drop normally occurs) ? | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25562 Posts
On January 12 2012 06:08 saaaa wrote: sry i just added this .. :/ in fact, i dont should wait until the 10min mark with my push (at this time the drop normally occurs) ? I add a thor if I see my opponent making a lot of mutalisks, to prevent them from stacking up and sniping tanks. I'll have upwards of 4 in a late game army, but usually just 1 or 2 is fine to prevent mutalisk clumping. I add ghosts as I start to get maxed against a zerg with access to hive tech, OR against a zerg player who's using infestors. | ||
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saaaa
Germany419 Posts
On January 12 2012 06:10 Blazinghand wrote: I add a thor if I see my opponent making a lot of mutalisks, to prevent them from stacking up and sniping tanks. I'll have upwards of 4 in a late game army, but usually just 1 or 2 is fine to prevent mutalisk clumping. I add ghosts as I start to get maxed against a zerg with access to hive tech, OR against a zerg player who's using infestors. should i always 2 thors to my TMM army to babysit the tanks? i saw that Mvp add most of the time to the ghostac at around 15:00-17:00 min. is this a nice timing to do it? i mean it's mvp ^^ and +15 ghost are incredible again anything | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25562 Posts
On January 12 2012 06:28 saaaa wrote: should i always 2 thors to my TMM army to babysit the tanks? i saw that Mvp add most of the time to the ghostac at around 15:00-17:00 min. is this a nice timing to do it? i mean it's mvp ^^ and +15 ghost are incredible again anything There's no real "timing" for ghosts-- it depends how the game has gone. Get ghosts if your proponent has Infestors or Brood Lords, otherwise you don't need them. | ||
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Knallhexe
Germany92 Posts
 Started playing after a long time and I got one specific question:Can someone give me a build order for a cloaked banshee rush in TvT? I used to rush the 1-1-1 and when the second banshee was out and I was at the enemies base I usually had the cloak done. Really didn't play for quite a big amount of time and probably even forgot the basics. 10 Depot 12 Rax 13 Ref 15 OC ... ? Like, when can I take the second Refinery, Factory and eventually the Starport? Ty in advance  | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On January 12 2012 07:10 Knallhexe wrote: Hey guys Started playing after a long time and I got one specific question:Can someone give me a build order for a cloaked banshee rush in TvT? I used to rush the 1-1-1 and when the second banshee was out and I was at the enemies base I usually had the cloak done. Really didn't play for quite a big amount of time and probably even forgot the basics. 10 Depot 12 Rax 13 Ref 15 OC ... ? Like, when can I take the second Refinery, Factory and eventually the Starport? Ty in advance 19 or 20 supply for the second Refinery Factory as soon as you have 100 gas (should be just after your second Supply Depot is complete) Starport as soon as Factory is done Generally Tech Lab on Factory (you may get an Hellion for scouting purposes before Tech Lab) Swap Starport with Factory, Cloak Banshee | ||
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Knallhexe
Germany92 Posts
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halcyOn 2
United States69 Posts
Similarly, anyone have a good mech build order for TvT? Again I often have excess minerals in that matchup, although not as much. | ||
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Huggerz
Great Britain919 Posts
On January 12 2012 07:52 halcyOn 2 wrote: I have recently switched into a Thor/Hellion style for TvZ but my build order leaves me with excess minerals in the early game. I'm not really following a build order I found, but using a slightly modified version of my TvT 1 rax expand into mech. Does anyone have a good mech or Thor/Hellion build order for TvZ? I've looked at Synystyr's build but I'm not sure I like the early double expo that much and I'd rather use a 1 rax opening. Sometimes I do the quick double expo, which still usually works, but I'm just curious if anyone has anything better. Similarly, anyone have a good mech build order for TvT? Again I often have excess minerals in that matchup, although not as much. 12 Racks 13 Refinery 16 Orbital 18 Factory - & Reactor on Racks after 2 marines Start CC before third depot & hellion production Tech lab on Racks After 4 hellions put Factory on tech lab - start blue flame - and start second Factory on reactor Take second refinery Armory at next 100 gas -> ideally start +1 attack or +1 armor before Thor Take both gases at natural around when second Orbital is building and add on Factories / Starport when gas income is good TvT I suggest opening with reactor hellion expand (far positions) or banshee (close air) or a 111 with marine hellion drop if you see gas first. Marine hellion pressure can do a lot against players who play greedy with early CC or banshee. | ||
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Jazzman88
Canada2228 Posts
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Techno
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On January 11 2012 18:46 TAAF wrote: Not that great xD I lose a lot to Protoss If been using mech sometime against Protoss in customs with a friend. Btw are you the Techno from the day9 daily who played mech against Toss? *_* Yup. Still trying it. Its... ok. Goody wins every game he does with early game harass damage, so you cant learn anything from him. So far what I can tell is not to add tanks until late game. Thors, banshees hellion ghost are your mid game army comp. | ||
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