The Protoss Help Me Thread - Page 21

On August 16 2011 04:28 Anihc wrote:


HT/archon is pretty much the same thing, since if you have 1 you will also have the other. So your question is colossus or templar tech? While a lot of it is personal preference, here's my take on it:

Just go the colossus route. It's so much easier.

Yes, stalker/immortal/HT/archon/sentry is a really strong composition and arguably it's better against roach/infestor that's extremely common nowadays. But it comes with the caveat that it is fucking hard to use effectively. You need to keep your army spread out so not everything gets fungaled, especially your spellcasters which can die really quickly to a few fungals if you're not careful. You have to use feedback well, and anyone who says HTs counter infestors hard due to feedback is obviously playing newbs who a-move their entire army and don't bother controlling their infestors (note: fungal vs feedback is just like EMP vs feedback, all range is 9 but since fungal/EMP has +2 radius you can fungal out of range of feedback). Then you have stalkers to blink, and sentries to use forcefields. On top of all of that you have to position your army carefully so that your immortals are near the front and your spellcasters are near the back, so that your spellcasters don't get instantly picked off while your immortals get stuck wandering behind stalkers that are fungaled so they can't blink out of the way.

Meanwhile, if you go colossus all you have to do is a-move and win. Maybe lay down some forcefields before your sentries die. And don't listen to nonsense like "infestors counter to colossus with NP," because it's not true at all. Colossus range is same as NP, if you see the NP thingy shooting out of the infestors just quickly target that infestor with your colossus. It dies in 3 colossus shots. In order for zerg to successfully NP you they have to essentially NP all of your colossus at the same time which is not going to happen if you have like... more than 3 colossus. And if the zerg somehow manages to pull that off just blink in a few stalkers to snipe a NPing infestor.

Now with regards to chargelot/archon: this is a really situational composition, you can't make it work in all situations (like you can with stalker/HT or stalker/colossus). There's nothing you're doing wrong, it's just that roach hard counters it. Infestors just make it worse for you but aren't even necessary. You should only go chargelot/archon if you see your opponent insistent on not making roaches, such as if they go ling/bling/infestor, or you've done something like stargate play to force your opponent into making hydras and not roaches.

On August 16 2011 03:59 Requizen wrote:
So been doing well vs P and T lately, but having issues with Zerg.

Now, I know that it is completely necessary to have AoE in PvZ, as you can't outproduce Zerg after a certain point. After the timing attack window, I generally start considering what to tech to.

So our 3 AoE units are Archon, HT and Colossus. When is it correct to build which one? Or can I simply pick one that I like?

I've been trying Zealot/Archon(/Sentry) builds, but I keep getting rolled by Roach/Infestor type play. Is it just a build that you need to be a higher league to pull off, or is there something I'm missing, like upgrades?