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Great write-up TangSC!
The OP is 100% true. I'm a life & business coach and have literally coached thousands of people from all walks of life...and watched these principles at work firsthand.
There are examples of people with poor mindset that have success, but the VAST majority of people who are "successful" do have a positive mindset. (whether the "success" is being an Olympian, being a self made millionaire, etc.)
If anyone wants to further your learning along the potential & power of your mind, I highly recommend the following 2 books:
- Think & Grow Rich
- As A Man Thinketh (Short read)
Keep up the great work TangSC!
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Hey I think it's great you're a life and business coach, are there any principles in your profession that would apply to SC2 gamers? I'm sure I missed a few good points.
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What i think alot of players need is a goal. Like "get into master's league". And dont blame the game, blame yourself. all this crap about "wow terran is strong" is bull. focus on yourself and no one else. also watch day[9] XD
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Excellent thread. I 100% agree with eating healthy and working out can drastically improve your performance in SC2. I've been working out more lately and trying to eat better and I've noticed a difference in how I perform and remember things and pay attention in a game.
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This is a very nice post.
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On July 20 2011 01:21 djdoodoo wrote:
The key to starcraft 2 is actually lots of practise.
I think the key to SC2 is being able to learn what you and your opponent did right and wrong in a game...
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On July 22 2011 09:28 TangSC wrote:
Hey I think it's great you're a life and business coach, are there any principles in your profession that would apply to SC2 gamers? I'm sure I missed a few good points.
Hey Tang,
Yes...there are a LOT of principles that apply. (and personal development is one of my favorite topics...I've always loved figuring out why "we" do what "we" do as humans...and how to pursue the path of trying to maximize all areas of my life - physically, emotionally, financially, spiritually, socially, etc.)
Here are 2 main ones that are really important across all areas of life & learning...feel free to discuss from here and I'll pull out some other principles as they arise.
1) The 4 Levels of Consciousness
http://www.JasonCardamone.com/Recommends/ConsciousCompetence
2) The Success Formula
www.JasonCardamone.com/Recommends/SuccessFormula
(The 2 above are really aimed at a "newbie" to psychology/computers/business...I'm pretty sure the vast majority of TLers will feel as if they're explained "too slow"...so stick it out as I promise the lessons are worth it! For example: I have a medical doctor that I coach...that the above "Success Formula" completely changed his life when he "got it". He's created a considerable residual income on the side of his medical practice from applying "The Success Formula")
PS - Ignore any references to marketing or business or anything...that's the audience the videos are aimed at...but the lessons are still there for gamers & everyone else.
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if only i could adopt your training philosophy
i'm a guy whos uber competitive and i just get mad. whenever i lose it makes me fucking furious. i can't really help it. it's like 6 wins 1 loss i rage so hard. i'm scared im gonna break something in my house lol. i just get down on how stupid i am for losing to so and so or how people are worse than me but still win. my ego is too big
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Great post Tang. Thank you for extending the much needed etiquette and standards that this community desperately lacks. Too many people treat the online world as garbage can for their reckless thoughts just because they don't need to be responsible for what they say/act. These people simply deteriorate themselves and the community.
I make it a routine to always greet politely and congratulate my opponent on his/her win regardless of how it was achieved. Proxy canon or scv rush, you name it, I'd still gg out of it. In my opinion, game-rage is due to via hate of self-incompetence and jealousy. By being angry and offensive, you're not benefiting from it, and even worst, your opponent loses nothing, save a laugh. Serenity, says Buddha: take a step back, and observe the vast sea and sky.
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You have certainly helped me good sir, carry on.
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On July 22 2011 10:35 shawster wrote:
if only i could adopt your training philosophy
i'm a guy whos uber competitive and i just get mad. whenever i lose it makes me fucking furious. i can't really help it. it's like 6 wins 1 loss i rage so hard. i'm scared im gonna break something in my house lol. i just get down on how stupid i am for losing to so and so or how people are worse than me but still win. my ego is too big
Having a competitive drive & spirit is VERY important to compete at the top levels.
BUT
Getting "furious. i can't really help it", "i'm scared im gonna greak something in my house" - Dude...seriously?
Brother...first...NEVER call yourself stupid, NEVER! ("i just get down on how stupid i am for losing to so and so")
If you are serious about your above comments & not just trolling...take a few minutes and really think about the bigger picture. I would guess you've seen these feelings/behavior come up in the past...and I really do have things you can do...because you CAN help it. (You just haven't been motivated enough yet to want to try to help/change it)
(It's not just you brother...millions around the world, especially in 3rd world countries, experience similar emotions...so this is for anyone that relates to what you're saying.)
Imagine this...what if you raged so hard...you punched a hole in the wall... Would that be the event that has you really look for a solution to change?
What if you raged so hard...you yelled at & completely embarrassed & crushed the next person you talk to... (If you live with others) Would that be the event that has you really look for a solution to change?
What if you raged so hard...you smashed your keyboard into your monitor, needing both a keyboard & a monitor? Would that be the event that has you really look for a solution to change?
What if you did something worse than the above scenarios?
We won't "change" behavior, or do anything different...unless we get significantly "motivated". It's all about leverage.
(You know why Idra still rages? Because he's never had consequences large enough to want to change. What if he couldn't play SC2 for a living?...that would probably motivate him. What if he went to jail for a bit?...that would probably have him thinking about it too. As obviously he's very intelligent...he just hasn't applied his intelligence to his emotions.
The reality is that likely none of the above will happen...Idra won't be motivated enough...and in 10 years when SC3 is coming out...Idra will still be raging.)
Don't get me wrong, I used to play NCAA Div 2 soccer in college, then went on to semi-pro soccer...I totally get the frustration & anger and I have experienced those exact same emotions.
But...I can tell you that if you are "pissed off enough about your anger"...there are simple things you can do to change it. (No, not "counting to 10"...even though that works to a small degree...it's not enough to overcome a huge emotion like we're speaking of)
The reality is that anyone on this Earth can have a very large degree of control over their emotions, or their "state".
Crap - Now I just realized I spend these past few minutes setting myself up to have to explain how to change all of this...
Okay...so I covered this a little bit in a video I did...so check out this between minutes 1:40 and 6:20 (it's a 20 minute video...you don't need the stuff outside of these times)
This video explains a time when I was really frustrated a few months ago...and how I "changed my state".
http://JasonCardamone.com/internetnetworkmarketingonline/2011/04/12/personaldevelopment/working-with-difficult-people-when-to-let-them-go
(It's actually a whole blog post...but just watch between 1:40 and 6:20 on the video.)
Keep this in mind...imagine a triangle that has 3 sides:
Focus
Physiology
Language
This "triad" is what makes up our emotions. (our "states")
So...if you're pissed, change your focus, language, and/or physiology, and you can change the state of feeling pissed.
This works for everyone, every single time...as long as you make enough change to 1 or more of the sides of the triad.
Let's look at the easiest way to make a VERY quick change in state - your physiology. (Remember there's still 2 other parts to the triad...but you can literally feel a change w/ just changing 1 part of the triad...change all 3 and you will instantly "feel" differently in ANY state you're in for the rest of your life)
So if you're sitting at your computer, pissed about a game you just lost...DON'T JUST SIT THERE! Change your physiology by getting up and physically doing something. (punch the air, jump around, do some quick sprints, do sit ups, punch the air (air box), dance do your favorite music, etc.) The more drastic of a change in your body from physically sitting at a computer, the more you will feel differently.
There is a thread that was started...and now I can't find it for the life of me. It was all about every time you lose mid-late game, you do "x number of situps". If you lose to cheese, do "y number of situps". Do "x" if you lose 5 in a row, etc. It had you doing different pushups & sit-ups for different scenarios. (and I think you also did stuff for winning)
This stuff is GREAT for changing your physiology...which naturally changes your state.
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Dang Tang!
I'm positive that was the longest post I've ever made on TL...I told you I love this topic!
LOL!
I don't know if the above things I posted are "strategy" for SC2...but they definitely should be a piece of everyone's strategies for life.
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Thanks Tang, this really hit home for me. And made me smile too
And Coach, I really like the idea of changing your physiology when you have that tense, keyed-up feeling after a bad loss. I will definitely try that next time. Sometimes I'm so mad or down on myself I can't even click the "Save replay" button... I just want to pretend it never happened! Getting up and moving around for a bit before dealing with the replay would probably really help my state of mind.
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A great way to have fun is to do a few old day9 strats. you'll also improve quite a bit!
Do the "attack every 5 minutes with a warcry" funday strat. You will learn lots of timing (most new players don't get aggressive,) and yelling gibberish at your opponent is always fun. Combine with Dr. Seuss style wording for extra hilarity.
Or do the "expand every 5 minutes" strat. Again, it's really funny and teaches newbies map presence.
My personal favorite, since I don't care about getting top in my master division, is to have a silly endgame plan, where stress is the highest. Make your goal to transition into 35 ravens. Or carriers, etc.
And those little 10 minute breaks after stressful games are a godsend.
And finally, stop trash talking unless it's plain goofy. Get into the concepts of manners. If you lose, you lose. That's it. Calling your opponent an *insert long series of expletives* will NOT make you feel better, and your opponent will always just laugh at you. Studies have shown that taking your anger out via aggression will make your anger WORSE! Be mannered. You lost to a 6pool? He's not some cheesing jerk, you just need to tighten up your opener, and he showed you that. Be nice. Don't just say GG and rage, take a few seconds to think of something NICE to say to your opponent! It will make you feel better. Seriously. And your opponent, if he's not twelve, will really appreciate that. I take the time to remember people who complimented my play. And that list is really, really short (and it's not because I'm bad. which I am.)
The biggest thing missing from Esports is true sportmanship. See what happened to pro sports once that was lost? Remember why HoN was the worst game ever at release? We're viewed as a bunch of angry, sweaty, basement dwellers because we perpetuate the angry (and often the sweaty, and occasionally the basement) stereotype far too often. This is why Sheth, Boxer, TLO, and Jinro are my favorite players by a longshot. And QXC, but that's just because he's hilarious.
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Great writeup, man. I didn't know who you were before, but I do now =P.
I guess I'm different. I feel like anger actually makes me better and helps me focus more.
If I'm happy and I lose, I think I get ever more depressed than when I was angry.
But since I don't play SC2 anymore, I'll try to apply it to my future games. Thanks!
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Nice write-up. I definitely get a bit upset when I lose, but I've been working on setting my mind to not go that route as it is really not beneficial at all and I tend to let it get the better of me.
Good to see you're giving a lot to the community, Mr. 5-Gate
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pretty amazing, thanks alot!
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I'm surprised this thread is even in the strategy thread. This is another one of these gross delusions where thinking everything is alright instantly makes it so; or, as Tang put it: "with a positive mindset, you can change the world!" (or something to that regard).
Emotions are an important part of the human psyche, and these ridiculous "life coaches" that ignore this fact in favor of touting bullshit do nothing but anger me. Anger is an appropriate response if one wishes to become better; it encourages one to work harder and helps set goals. If you're angry at someone for beating him, you're going to try to your best to beat them, whereas if you're perfectly happy and bubbly after a loss you'll do nothing to improve. This is why in bronze league you see some of the most mannered people; they're happy to just click around and watch lasers fly everywhere without much regard to the strategical side of the game.
This encouragement to abandon all emotions except happiness not only does not work but buries relevant emotions under a pile of metaphorical happiness horse shit. Keeping a clear, focused mind during a game is important, but being another one of those people faking happiness to try to improve their lives will do nothing. Happiness is contention; it represents a gladness one has met his/her goals. If you're happy, you're already satisfied, and won't do much to improve.
Should you be angry and swearing and throwing things after every game or every cheese? Of course not. That doesn't mean you should bury your genuine emotional anger at failing to meet a goal under a sea of fake happiness.
This has nothing to do with Starcraft 2 strategy; it has to do with how to bullshit yourself into wasting times on your mentality to reach unnatural levels of fake happiness. Believe it or not, humans aren't supposed to bury their emotions and they're not supposed to pretend that the only positive emotion is happiness. If you adopt this ridiculous happiness mentality, you'll water down actual happiness and have trouble celebrating real goals.
For example, when I got into Masters League, I immediately jumped out of my seat in joy. The pure elation of achieving a goal I'd worked hard for invigorated me. Why should I be happy when I lose to a banshee rush that I scouted a few seconds too late? Anger is an appropriate response.
Finally, I'd like to say that I have nothing but the utmost disgust for anyone that considers being a "life and business" coach a worthwhile job. What people are looking for is motivation, not ridiculous, fake, bubbly "happiness". When you act happy to a higher degree than is even possible, you alienate the people who actually believe that they should be that happy. There's a reason evangelicals speak in tongues; all evangelicals are strongly pressured to receive the "gift of the holy ghost". Well, quite obviously, the holy ghost doesn't exist, so they fake it until they eventually believe it through simply wanting incredibly much to believe it. The same is true of this fake happiness; it causes truly unhappy people to feel like there is something wrong with them and act more "positive" to compensate.
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