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CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
July 18 2011 05:40 GMT
#61
I would definitely appreciate the thread more if it didn't stink of self-promotion. But most of the things you say are true.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
July 18 2011 06:10 GMT
#62
I see you've moved on from relentless advertisement in the team liquid starcraft 2 channel to direct advertisement on team liquid.

At least you don't suggest cleaning out your ears so you don't miss a workers under attack message. That's the only positive thing I can say so I'll leave this post at that.
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
Garuhn
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada6 Posts
July 18 2011 07:16 GMT
#63
What do you do if lose to someone(when you're testing out a strat or new race) , say gg, and then they message you after, telling you that it wasn't a gg and that you're a terrible player and could never measure up to them(even though you know you can) ? :'(
TangSC
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada1866 Posts
July 18 2011 13:41 GMT
#64
@Garuhn You block communication with them and let that be that, if you're confident and positive you know you can disregard people's negative opinions - dwelling on them is pointless. It's why I avoid arguments in chat, there are always people who will disagree and some people just look for a reason to troll
Coaching www.allin-academy.com | Team www.All-Inspiration.com
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
July 18 2011 14:54 GMT
#65
I feel like I'm odd in this regard. I can't go into a game feeling confident, otherwise I mess up a lot in my execution. I usually go in thinking that I'll lose if I don't play the top of my game, even when it tells me I'm favored.

Maybe I just have low self esteem
It's your boy Guzma!
japro
Profile Joined August 2010
172 Posts
July 18 2011 15:26 GMT
#66
Another aspect of a positive mindset is to not be too focused on mistakes. People always talk about how you have to analyze games you lost so you don't make the same mistakes again. But analyzing what went right is just as important in my opinion. I.e. if a game went perfect for you, also analyze that since a. it boosts your ego b. you find out what your strengths. Reinforcing your strengths is just as important as reducing mistakes and also goes farther when it comes to developing your own play style (as opposed to just a flawless but predictable and generic play style).
Naeroon
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada166 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-18 16:06:20
July 18 2011 15:55 GMT
#67
Dunno why people have to be so negative. Tang, I've been in your chat channel on battle.net many times and I gotta say its been an incredibly helpful beacon of information and socialization, with other people who need help just like me. Sure, if you really want his post to be nothing more than a blatant advertising scheme, then I suppose it is. But the man didn't make the topic solely to shamelessly plug him and his site. He at the very least wrote out a page of information that was intended to be helpful (and it definitely was, mindset is easily one of the biggest hurdles to overcome in your play). There have been many times where people in the past simply created a thread to plug themselves and their product/site, but this is not one of those. You can't get mad at the man for including his site at the bottom of his post....

The man is a helpful player who has definitely guided many noobs such as myself in the right direction. I'd love to see what you guys have done to contribute to the community/players, beyond attempting to completely shut down this topic with your accusations of its credibility.

EDIT: And to clarify, I am referring to posters such as Probe1, who only joined in on the discussion to add NOTHING of value or even of positivity, only a pretty thin post specifically designed to berate Tang and his thread. I seriously don't see how your post is of any greater (or even EQUAL) value than the OP.
TangSC
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada1866 Posts
July 18 2011 16:39 GMT
#68
Thanks a lot Naeroon :D and all the others for their feedback. I've found that even the comments from those who disagree with my OP are often constructive and interesting, so don't let the few being negative influence you. I'd love to hear all the different ways people stay focused and psyched, and I'm even consider writing a second post including some of the constructive concepts discussed in the comments that you guys have used to better your games!

In short, keep posting the techniques/tips you guys have for those trying to stay in a positive/learning mindset!
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may0nnaise
Profile Joined May 2011
United States40 Posts
July 18 2011 19:13 GMT
#69
Thanks Tang, it was a good read. I believe staying positive is one of the harder things to do in sc2, but it really does make a difference.
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AcePlaysRandom
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada9 Posts
July 18 2011 19:15 GMT
#70
Very helpful :3, thanks man!
Ragnarok87
Profile Joined June 2011
United States55 Posts
July 18 2011 20:51 GMT
#71
On July 18 2011 05:38 TangSC wrote:
1) Be Good Manner - ...and leaving every game with "GG nice timing push or "GG wp, that harrass was killer, man!" If you stay good mannered...instead of rage-quitting...And who knows, maybe that player to whom you showed respect in your gracious exit from the game will provide you with a couple tips and practice games to really help you overcome that flaw in your game.


On July 18 2011 05:38 TangSC wrote:
2) Be Confident - ...talking to yourself doesn't mean you're crazy - it keeps you focused on your specific goals in the game and gives you that oh-so-critical mindset advantage.


On July 18 2011 05:38 TangSC wrote:
3) Focus on YOUR game - ...learn and play significantly better if they considered imbalance, hacks, and cheese none-existent...When you get cheesed, exit the game with class, and pay attention to how you could have scouted a little earlier, how you could have reacted a tad faster, how the execution of your defense could be improved upon. Cheese is a part of the game, you can't get rid of it but you can be adequately prepared for it.


On July 18 2011 05:38 TangSC wrote:
4) Be Healthy - ...I have celiac disease...I've paid very careful attention to what I eat and I feel and play the better for it...you WILL notice a difference in your stamina if you're in better shape. Something I do frequently is workout in between games...Get the blood flowing and the heart racing in between games


I agree. I feel like this is good and applicable advice that is often overlooked for not only Starcraft but for any competition(s). It used to work for me competing in wrestling and some of the dumbest loses I have taken in both could have been avoided by following the advice in the OP.

1. Being well mannered in games have, for me, not only led to getting advice about the game but to making practice partners at my skill level. As is true for anything you do, "perfect practice makes perfect." If you are well mannered and helpful you will inevitably make friends of those who are also well mannered and willing to help you.

2. In competitions I rarely talked to myself aloud but in my head I used to either get a song stuck or talk to myself about, well, anything. It calms the nerves and allows for better and faster performance. Getting angry or nervous leads to making momentous mistakes.

3. Everybody hates cheese, but if you get cheesed follow tang's advice. For all you know you might be able to refine your opening build order and make it stronger.

4. This is probably the most important part of the OP. I find that after playing 4 or 5 matches in a row that my apm dips, i miss larvae injects, etc. Getting your blood flowing means more oxygen to your brain and you'll pay better attention.

Thanks for the post!
"Immortal/roach is pretty good against stalker" IdrA
Steel
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Japan2283 Posts
July 18 2011 20:54 GMT
#72
Cool post. I get mad sometimes, I'll try to get out of this negative mindset from now on.
Try another route paperboy.
romelako
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States373 Posts
July 19 2011 03:01 GMT
#73
I couldn't agree with you more. I think a bad attitude in this game will really impede your ability to improve. Anger makes you more unfocused, just because it's very hard not to dwell on the fact that you lose. If you take a more positive approach to your losses, it will overall make you a better player.

5/5 for the guide.
jchan
Profile Joined November 2010
40 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-19 09:28:49
July 19 2011 09:27 GMT
#74
i agree with not getting angry. i understand its tough to not rage when u lose like 10+ games in a row or have multiple days where u end up losing more than winning but playing angry will only make u lose more. its hard to take a step back from a loss and reflect on how you loss so you can win the next game when clicking find match is easier than watching ur own replay
Shookone
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada20 Posts
July 19 2011 11:39 GMT
#75
On July 18 2011 08:03 kzn wrote:
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On July 18 2011 07:56 TrickyGilligan wrote:So, you'd argue that a player at the end of a 10 game losing streak has just as much chance to win their 11th game as a player coming off of a 10 game winning streak?


If they're in control of their emotions, yes. And that doesn't mean they're happy, it means they're fully aware that the only way previous games can affect their next game is if they allow it to.

[edit] Mind you, I'm assuming these players are identical otherwise. Obviously if you're drunk as fuck and thats the reason you're losing you're more likely to keep losing, but it has nothing to do with how positively you're thinking.

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Going into a game prepared to lose, and going into a game prepared to win are clearly going to yield different results. Pro players go on tilt all the time after bad games or poor results, trying to argue that it doesn't have an effect on gameplay simply doesn't make sense.


Going on tilt is not the same as failing to think positively.


Sorry to say but Kzn is right.

It looks like you believe in "the secret" book lolllll.

But I agree to the Topic that if you try to be good mannered every game , it will improve your play , since you will go less on tilt.
HiveONE
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9 Posts
July 19 2011 12:04 GMT
#76
Good OP. I think everyone that posted here generally wants to become a better SC2 player. It's very easy to get mad when you lose a game. If you can try to have a positive mindset about the game you can view a loss as an opportunity. When you lose a game don't think of it as the other person being better than you. Try to view your loss as a mistake that YOU made that your opponent exploited. It could be poor macro, micro, scouting, "special tactics", wrong unit composition or a hundred other things. Your opponent wasn't better than you, you just made mistakes. I find when I view my losses in this manner its easier to swallow. Just remember the end goal is to get better and you can't get better if you never lose
SheffiTB
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada223 Posts
July 19 2011 14:13 GMT
#77
Hey tang, Great to see someone else agrees with me. I already do this to some degree when i play, I say glhf, try to chat a bit and have a good time, when I lose I'm like "Wow that was some great macro you had there" or "nice strat, I've never seen it before" or something like that before gging out.

I especially loved your last point though: be healthy. I usually don't eat healthy, but every once in a while after eating spinach with my dinner or something, I feel a lot better, a lot more optimistic, and my brain works a lot faster. Being healthy has a direct impact on your performance.
Gold level player who watches day9 and loves helping other low level players.
KazKamasa
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden186 Posts
July 19 2011 15:00 GMT
#78
A great post thanks!

"time line? time is not made out of lines it is made out of circles, that is why clocks are round"- Caboose
callecal
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden65 Posts
July 19 2011 15:23 GMT
#79
I think day9 must have a good mindset for this game
bylex
Profile Joined May 2010
Brazil27 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-19 15:51:39
July 19 2011 15:51 GMT
#80
I've been playing online games for some time now, and Starcraft is defenitely the most rage-pron game I've played! Sometimes it REALLY, but REALLY gets to me. I get to the point I dont recognize myself after losing some matches... Pretty scary heh.

Só I agree and backup everything posted by Tang!

Cheers!
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