• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 17:31
CET 23:31
KST 07:31
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12
Community News
ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career !10Weekly Cups (Dec 8-14): MaxPax, Clem, Cure win4Weekly Cups (Dec 1-7): Clem doubles, Solar gets over the hump1Weekly Cups (Nov 24-30): MaxPax, Clem, herO win2BGE Stara Zagora 2026 announced15
StarCraft 2
General
ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career ! Micro Lags When Playing SC2? When will we find out if there are more tournament Weekly Cups (Dec 8-14): MaxPax, Clem, Cure win RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview
Tourneys
$5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament $100 Prize Pool - Winter Warp Gate Masters Showdow Winter Warp Gate Amateur Showdown #1 RSL Offline Finals Info - Dec 13 and 14!
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 505 Rise From Ashes Mutation # 504 Retribution Mutation # 503 Fowl Play Mutation # 502 Negative Reinforcement
Brood War
General
Klaucher discontinued / in-game color settings Anyone remember me from 2000s Bnet EAST server? BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ How Rain Became ProGamer in Just 3 Months FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle
Tourneys
[BSL21] LB QuarterFinals - Sunday 21:00 CET Small VOD Thread 2.0 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] WB SEMIFINALS - Saturday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Game Theory for Starcraft Current Meta Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Beyond All Reason Path of Exile General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Survivor II: The Amazon Sengoku Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
The Games Industry And ATVI US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TL+ Announced Where to ask questions and add stream?
Blogs
The (Hidden) Drug Problem in…
TrAiDoS
I decided to write a webnov…
DjKniteX
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Thanks for the RSL
Hildegard
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1606 users

[G] Positive Mindset: The Key to SC2 - Page 2

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Strategy
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 15 16 17 Next All
kzn
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States1218 Posts
July 17 2011 22:27 GMT
#21
On July 18 2011 05:38 TangSC wrote:You've probably all heard sayings repeated over and over like "The Power of Positive Thinking" and "Healthy Body, Healthy Mind", and there's a reason they're repeated: they're true!


I don't disagree with a lot of your stress on mindset, but this is ridiculous.

The reason stuff like this is repeated is because people wish it was true, for some weird reason. Its patently ridiculous, though, because merely thinking about something in a different way cannot change the facts of the situation.

There is no actual difference in thinking a cup is half full or half empty, except the differences that might cause in how you approach other things. The cup contains 50% of the total it could contain, no matter how you phrase that in your head.

The weird thing about this kind of thinking is its actually incredibly arrogant - it suggests that if someone thought positively enough, they could have avoided getting cancer, or being hit by some drunk on the road, etc, etc.

Mindset is important in SC2, but the important part of it is being realistic and logical.
Like a G6
TrickyGilligan
Profile Joined September 2010
United States641 Posts
July 17 2011 22:56 GMT
#22
On July 18 2011 07:27 kzn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2011 05:38 TangSC wrote:You've probably all heard sayings repeated over and over like "The Power of Positive Thinking" and "Healthy Body, Healthy Mind", and there's a reason they're repeated: they're true!


I don't disagree with a lot of your stress on mindset, but this is ridiculous.

The reason stuff like this is repeated is because people wish it was true, for some weird reason. Its patently ridiculous, though, because merely thinking about something in a different way cannot change the facts of the situation.

There is no actual difference in thinking a cup is half full or half empty, except the differences that might cause in how you approach other things. The cup contains 50% of the total it could contain, no matter how you phrase that in your head.

The weird thing about this kind of thinking is its actually incredibly arrogant - it suggests that if someone thought positively enough, they could have avoided getting cancer, or being hit by some drunk on the road, etc, etc.

Mindset is important in SC2, but the important part of it is being realistic and logical.


So, you'd argue that a player at the end of a 10 game losing streak has just as much chance to win their 11th game as a player coming off of a 10 game winning streak?

Going into a game prepared to lose, and going into a game prepared to win are clearly going to yield different results. Pro players go on tilt all the time after bad games or poor results, trying to argue that it doesn't have an effect on gameplay simply doesn't make sense.

Do you need something more than a positive attitude? Well no shit, I've never seen anyone claim otherwise. Will a positive attitude, in addition to things like strong mechanics, decision making, and practice help you win a tournament? Positively.
"I've had a perfectly wonderful evening. But this wasn't it." -Groucho Marx
Naeroon
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada166 Posts
July 17 2011 23:02 GMT
#23
On July 18 2011 07:27 kzn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2011 05:38 TangSC wrote:You've probably all heard sayings repeated over and over like "The Power of Positive Thinking" and "Healthy Body, Healthy Mind", and there's a reason they're repeated: they're true!


I don't disagree with a lot of your stress on mindset, but this is ridiculous.

The reason stuff like this is repeated is because people wish it was true, for some weird reason. Its patently ridiculous, though, because merely thinking about something in a different way cannot change the facts of the situation.

There is no actual difference in thinking a cup is half full or half empty, except the differences that might cause in how you approach other things. The cup contains 50% of the total it could contain, no matter how you phrase that in your head.

The weird thing about this kind of thinking is its actually incredibly arrogant - it suggests that if someone thought positively enough, they could have avoided getting cancer, or being hit by some drunk on the road, etc, etc.

Mindset is important in SC2, but the important part of it is being realistic and logical.


I believe what he means in respect to positive thinking being applied to your Starcraft gameplay is that, while in the middle of the game, instead of swearing and letting yourself get angry and say things to yourself such as 'losing that stalker push was BS, I got nothing, his counterattack will obviously crush me', which makes your loss a reality in your head before it even happens, it would be a lot better to stay confident and positive, and staying focused on attempting to stay alive during the supposed counterattack instead of sighing and grunting and generally being self-defeating.

And TBH, I definitely agree that staying in a positive mindset is beneficial over being angry. I really wish I could control my temper when I go on losing streaks, and you cannot tell me that if I was in a positive mindset I would still be slamming the table with my fist, getting up and swearing at myself for being a fucking idiot (which can definitely be argued has negative repercussions on you mentally/physically).
TangSC
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada1866 Posts
July 17 2011 23:02 GMT
#24
If you can change the way you think, you can change your world.
Coaching www.allin-academy.com | Team www.All-Inspiration.com
kzn
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States1218 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-17 23:04:29
July 17 2011 23:03 GMT
#25
On July 18 2011 07:56 TrickyGilligan wrote:So, you'd argue that a player at the end of a 10 game losing streak has just as much chance to win their 11th game as a player coming off of a 10 game winning streak?


If they're in control of their emotions, yes. And that doesn't mean they're happy, it means they're fully aware that the only way previous games can affect their next game is if they allow it to.

[edit] Mind you, I'm assuming these players are identical otherwise. Obviously if you're drunk as fuck and thats the reason you're losing you're more likely to keep losing, but it has nothing to do with how positively you're thinking.

Going into a game prepared to lose, and going into a game prepared to win are clearly going to yield different results. Pro players go on tilt all the time after bad games or poor results, trying to argue that it doesn't have an effect on gameplay simply doesn't make sense.


Going on tilt is not the same as failing to think positively.
Like a G6
Naeroon
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada166 Posts
July 17 2011 23:05 GMT
#26
But by going on tilt and getting angry, their thoughts are being clouded and they make the wrong decisions and judgements, leading to a snowball effect seen before such as IdrA during all of MLG Dallas except the first day.

If you are positive and can keep your emotions in check, you have a much greater chance of staying focussed and assessing the situation at hand, than if you allow the game to be lost in your head before it truly is.
TrickyGilligan
Profile Joined September 2010
United States641 Posts
July 17 2011 23:08 GMT
#27
On July 18 2011 08:03 kzn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2011 07:56 TrickyGilligan wrote:So, you'd argue that a player at the end of a 10 game losing streak has just as much chance to win their 11th game as a player coming off of a 10 game winning streak?


If they're in control of their emotions, yes. And that doesn't mean they're happy, it means they're fully aware that the only way previous games can affect their next game is if they allow it to.

[edit] Mind you, I'm assuming these players are identical otherwise. Obviously if you're drunk as fuck and thats the reason you're losing you're more likely to keep losing, but it has nothing to do with how positively you're thinking.


Lol.

We're talking people here, not robots.

See: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=240480

"I've had a perfectly wonderful evening. But this wasn't it." -Groucho Marx
brachester
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia1786 Posts
July 17 2011 23:09 GMT
#28
i don't use gg or any glhf things because i think they're way overuse and doesn't have the meanings anymore, but i'm still having fun, if they say glfh i will response back but i never say it first.
I hate all this singing
kzn
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States1218 Posts
July 17 2011 23:10 GMT
#29
On July 18 2011 08:05 Naeroon wrote:
But by going on tilt and getting angry, their thoughts are being clouded and they make the wrong decisions and judgements, leading to a snowball effect seen before such as IdrA during all of MLG Dallas except the first day.

If you are positive and can keep your emotions in check, you have a much greater chance of staying focussed and assessing the situation at hand, than if you allow the game to be lost in your head before it truly is.


My point here is not that keeping your emotions in check isn't necessary, its that doing that doesn't mean being positive.

If you blow an attack in a game and say to yourself "the only way I can win this now is if he makes a mistake" nobody will call that positive thinking. If you say "i'm still in this!", that they'll call positive.

But neither one is functionally different - the game situation is what it is no matter how you think about it. If getting angry makes you rush decisions, then you work at not getting angry, but that does not entail being un-erringly positive, it entails being realistic.
Like a G6
TrickyGilligan
Profile Joined September 2010
United States641 Posts
July 17 2011 23:14 GMT
#30
On July 18 2011 08:10 kzn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2011 08:05 Naeroon wrote:
But by going on tilt and getting angry, their thoughts are being clouded and they make the wrong decisions and judgements, leading to a snowball effect seen before such as IdrA during all of MLG Dallas except the first day.

If you are positive and can keep your emotions in check, you have a much greater chance of staying focussed and assessing the situation at hand, than if you allow the game to be lost in your head before it truly is.


My point here is not that keeping your emotions in check isn't necessary, its that doing that doesn't mean being positive.

If you blow an attack in a game and say to yourself "the only way I can win this now is if he makes a mistake" nobody will call that positive thinking. If you say "i'm still in this!", that they'll call positive.

But neither one is functionally different - the game situation is what it is no matter how you think about it. If getting angry makes you rush decisions, then you work at not getting angry, but that does not entail being un-erringly positive, it entails being realistic.


They are different.

Idra vs MMA from MLG?
"I've had a perfectly wonderful evening. But this wasn't it." -Groucho Marx
kzn
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States1218 Posts
July 17 2011 23:19 GMT
#31
On July 18 2011 08:14 TrickyGilligan wrote:
They are different.

Idra vs MMA from MLG?


No, they aren't, and that game does nothing to illustrate your point.
Like a G6
Naeroon
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada166 Posts
July 17 2011 23:21 GMT
#32
That is true. The game situation is what it is no matter how you think about it, but the point of being positive (or realistic) is so that you can act upon the game situation as it is in this point and time and attempt to correct it or win the game. I completely understand the point you have made, as being positive and being realistic most certainly do not go hand in hand (ie. The world is going to be destroyed, no life will ever exist on it ever again... pretty dreary, but quite realistic considering the world would be gone). However when you are positive it also brings forth other traits, such as being motivated, being focused, being on-task, etc. You can't say working in an angry or distracted/otherwise frustrating condition has proven better results that staying postive and focused.

I don't mean to devalue your point whatsoever. But being realistic is also in of itself a type of clouded judgement... Take this for example, what if you were a guitarist, and both your arms were lost in some sort of accident. You would sit there, being quite realistic about the situation by concluding that there is 'no way ill be playing guitar again in my life.' You really will never play your guitar again since you lost your arms, no two ways about that. But if you had really been on the more positive side, believing 'I'm still in this!', then you would try to find someway around this seemingly tricky problem. And people have in the past, I have seen men play guitar with only their legs and feet, and they weren't half bad!

Positivity by itself most certainly is not what it takes to accomplish things. But by being positive, other things happen, such as being motivated and focused. The same type of things happen when you are angry; you get frustrated and start thinking in self-defeating patterns.
GGPope
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia367 Posts
July 17 2011 23:35 GMT
#33
This is very important. I used to leave without gg and ragequit and BM a lot a couple of months back, but I've since changed my mindset towards always typing out the gg and the gl hf, and it actually does make a world of difference.

If you don't think anger makes a difference to your play, go watch replays of when you were angry and have a good laugh at all the silly mistakes you make :D

It's important to keep ladder practise a focused but still light-hearted experience; make sure each game comes across not as "I PWNED THAT NOOB" or "I SHOULD HAVE PWNED THAT NOOB", but instead a learning experience from which you can take away knowledge that will help you to improve your strategy and overall play.

Gl hf everyone!
cbueno
Profile Joined November 2008
Ireland76 Posts
July 17 2011 23:44 GMT
#34
I am pritty sure TangSC is a salesman and is trying to sell me something.
I just dont know what it is yet .

Puting jokes aside. All your points are right and you do have the right "frame of mind".
Darclite
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1021 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-17 23:55:38
July 17 2011 23:50 GMT
#35
Honestly I thought this was wonderful.

Came from a PvP base race where I lost by a couple of buildings, smashed my fists into a few things, was cursing like a fucking sailor, threw a few books across the room, and ditched my friend on skype (lol if you see this, sorry about that dude).

But after I read this...I'm not angry at all. Nice post. He's right about everything.

In response to the argument above me, perhaps you will not save your individual game through positive thinking, but the mentality of "I fucking suck I'm a pathetic loser What the fuck is wrong with me I'll never be good at this game Why do I even play It's not like I'll ever succeed with it in any way ever" that I had after the game won't help me get better at all.
They're fools. You should eat them.
TangSC
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada1866 Posts
July 17 2011 23:58 GMT
#36
Haha cbueno I do offer coaching! But no, that's not my purpose in making the post.
Coaching www.allin-academy.com | Team www.All-Inspiration.com
Zamee
Profile Joined July 2011
England51 Posts
July 18 2011 00:07 GMT
#37
If i didnt get angry i wouldn't have the will to improve, i think your "strategy" is a bit dependant on the person
xHassassin
Profile Joined November 2010
United States270 Posts
July 18 2011 01:09 GMT
#38
Honestly the way you seem to plug yourself (Tang 233) constantly in all your (Tang 233's) posts makes me want to punch a wall and definitely doesn't help me take you (Tang 233) the least bit seriously.
TangSC
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada1866 Posts
July 18 2011 01:11 GMT
#39
Well my intention is to help the respectful, courteous masses - not the pretentious, rude few ^^
Coaching www.allin-academy.com | Team www.All-Inspiration.com
Alpino
Profile Joined June 2011
Brazil4390 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-18 01:14:45
July 18 2011 01:13 GMT
#40
Anger leads to nothing is this kind of game. Don't try to justify stuff, just have some fun while playing. I find myself very relaxed while I play, and that's why I keep doing it.
20/11/2015 - never forget EE's Ember
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 15 16 17 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
BSL 21
20:00
Bracket - LB Quarterfinals
StRyKeR vs eOnzErG
Bonyth vs Sziky
ZZZero.O366
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
White-Ra 409
IndyStarCraft 229
ProTech137
CosmosSc2 77
elazer 74
BRAT_OK 37
StarCraft: Brood War
ZZZero.O 366
Shuttle 241
Dewaltoss 104
910 21
HiyA 13
Dota 2
Dendi1769
syndereN285
NeuroSwarm76
Counter-Strike
fl0m1143
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor312
Other Games
Grubby4976
FrodaN2801
B2W.Neo879
Beastyqt634
mouzStarbuck312
ArmadaUGS121
XaKoH 88
Mew2King40
Chillindude30
PiLiPiLi24
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1415
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 19 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• RyuSc2 32
• davetesta26
• Reevou 15
• Adnapsc2 13
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Migwel
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota21606
League of Legends
• Doublelift792
Other Games
• imaqtpie1906
• Scarra756
• Shiphtur232
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
10h 29m
Wardi Open
13h 29m
Monday Night Weeklies
18h 29m
WardiTV Invitational
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
WardiTV Invitational
3 days
ByuN vs Solar
Clem vs Classic
Cure vs herO
Reynor vs MaxPax
Replay Cast
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #4 - TS3
RSL Offline Finals
Kuram Kup

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
BSL Season 21
Slon Tour Season 2
CSL Season 19: Qualifier 1
META Madness #9
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22

Upcoming

CSL Season 19: Qualifier 2
CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Big Gabe Cup #3
OSC Championship Season 13
Nations Cup 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.