I feel like most people will see 10 gate and go "oh this kid is gonna do korean 4 gate and pump out zealots instead of going for fast wg, which should make the 4 gate followup very strong

United States1177 Posts

July 02 2011 00:59 GMT

#82

This is interesting. Not something I'd personally use but something I'd like to play against.

Usually 10 gate is done to get a 3 wpg stalker rush. By going 2 gate instead he has the minerals to make a zealot to help his earlygame map control and more proxy pylons.

How I would play against it... If I scout his build before 18 supply I would go 3 stalker (no chrono). If my scout is too late and I only have 1 gate, I guess I would get a sentry after stalker.. What I would do though is during the skirmishes I would shift-queue my scout probe back into your base and if I see only 2 gates I would warp a pylon in your base/mineral line. So as long as I can stay alive, I can warp in zealots into your minerals, and 2 gates cannot possibly hold 4 gates zealots. (your army is going to be out on the map too)

Zedders

Canada450 Posts

July 02 2011 07:14 GMT

#83

On July 02 2011 07:12 Arch00 wrote:

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Almost. He didn't chrono his probes at all and instead chrono'd his first zealot this time.

I think, however, that was in response to seeing something he scouted. He must have thought he could do some sort of damage by getting it earlier

AxelTVx

Canada916 Posts

July 18 2011 04:05 GMT

#84

I've been using this build on every PvP lately, and I've found that if your opponent is doing a blink stalker build, you will ultimately lose in the end.

Every time I play, if my opponent goes blink stalker, sure I have an immortal, but when I do a 2 collo w/ range timing push, he already has archons. Because of the twilight tech, I feel that ultimately, the weakness of this build is that if the opponent goes for a blink based build, and they are smart enough to go archons, you will vcome out the loser in the end.

ma70

253 Posts

November 21 2011 16:40 GMT

#85

Hey guys, I know this build is a bit old and meant for PvP, but has anyone tried this in PvT/PvZ? I worked out some of the timings against Zerg, but I don't know how effective it will be at defending a 2 base baneling bust after you force a lot of speedlings. Also, vs Terran, this build could be similar to the Naniwa build where he does a 2 gate pressure into expand, but it will come earlier. Anyone think it's viable in all matchups?

CecilSunkure

United States2829 Posts

November 21 2011 16:42 GMT

#86

On November 22 2011 01:40 ma70 wrote:
Hey guys, I know this build is a bit old and meant for PvP, but has anyone tried this in PvT/PvZ? I worked out some of the timings against Zerg, but I don't know how effective it will be at defending a 2 base baneling bust after you force a lot of speedlings. Also, vs Terran, this build could be similar to the Naniwa build where he does a 2 gate pressure into expand, but it will come earlier. Anyone think it's viable in all matchups?

Only thing I can think of is maybe getting an easy win against a Zerg that delayed their Vespene by a long time, letting you wreak havoc with the early Stalker warpins.

ma70

253 Posts

November 21 2011 16:44 GMT

#87

On November 22 2011 01:42 CecilSunkure wrote:

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Only thing I can think of is maybe getting an easy win against a Zerg that delayed their Vespene by a long time, letting you wreak havoc with the early Stalker warpins.

Yeah I was thinking against Hatch first or just late gas in general this could rock....but against Speedling expand could you warp-in pure zealots at the Proxy instead to force lots of lings? The timing would still be pretty early and I don't think they would have a lot of larva/units at the timing, right?

A_Goomba

United States6 Posts

March 21 2012 20:25 GMT

#88

A guy got so mad at me for beating him with this... He went 3 gate robo, and then he raged and said I was a noob for using 4 gate every game. I had like 3 gates by the time he left lol.

(shevu)fusel

Germany9 Posts

March 21 2012 20:34 GMT

#89

a very nice guide. i also like to play in PvT and PvP.

ExorcistTV

Canada1 Post

April 01 2012 03:35 GMT

#90

Every time i try to get the pylon up they snipe my probe.. and i calculated you only get wg up 17 seconds faster (experimental value when i tried) or maybe max 20, not sure, so if you try to walk into their base from a pylon that isn't directly next to it, they will have their 4gate units already warping in. if you have the pylon at the edge of their natural it takes about 15 seconds just to walk up his ramp.
I feel this is too easily countered and doesn't usually do any damage.. if they see 10 gate they just get out a couple more units and they can easily kill the proxy pylon because it has to be right in their natural

PhysicsAP

8 Posts

April 03 2012 06:43 GMT

#91

with this, i win most of my pvp's, even cannon rushes :D
but blink stalkers seem to beat this no matter what :/