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Rotodyne
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States2263 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-27 01:36:39
September 27 2011 01:36 GMT
#1241
On September 27 2011 10:29 sGs.Kal_rA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2011 07:40 Jaeger wrote:
On September 24 2011 17:51 Probe1 wrote:
(AoL spoiler) + Show Spoiler +
Tell that to Huk, Mvp just used this exact build to take the first game in AoL Group C!


+ Show Spoiler +
Does MVP read team liquid strategy section? lol

+ Show Spoiler +
Cute response, but the spoiler isn't there for MVP to not read. Its for people who havnt watched the AoL games yet ^.^

+ Show Spoiler +

I think he was saying that MVP got the build on TL, jokingly of course
I can only play starcraft when I am shit canned. IPXZERG is a god.
Geiko
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France2048 Posts
October 02 2011 02:46 GMT
#1242
On September 27 2011 10:36 Rotodyne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2011 10:29 sGs.Kal_rA wrote:
On September 25 2011 07:40 Jaeger wrote:
On September 24 2011 17:51 Probe1 wrote:
(AoL spoiler) + Show Spoiler +
Tell that to Huk, Mvp just used this exact build to take the first game in AoL Group C!


+ Show Spoiler +
Does MVP read team liquid strategy section? lol

+ Show Spoiler +
Cute response, but the spoiler isn't there for MVP to not read. Its for people who havnt watched the AoL games yet ^.^

+ Show Spoiler +

I think he was saying that MVP got the build on TL, jokingly of course


Not exactly my build per se, it's a bit less all in and more reactive to the fact that he wasn't being early scouted by Huk I think.

On a side note, I've been 100% terran free for a couple of month now. I've been trying hard to play a legit protoss but tonight I had a bad ladder run, got cheesed like 10 times so I tilted I took terran to get a free win (and as a reminder to you all that this build isn't as dead as you think ^^ )
Got kinda lucky to be matched with a Top 16 GM player too for the one time I use this, makes my point even stronger ^^

Geiko vs AcerOsho (EU Rank 11 GrandMaster)
[image loading]
geiko.813 (EU)
Cow
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada1104 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-02 02:58:35
October 02 2011 02:57 GMT
#1243
On October 02 2011 11:46 Geiko wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On September 27 2011 10:36 Rotodyne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2011 10:29 sGs.Kal_rA wrote:
On September 25 2011 07:40 Jaeger wrote:
On September 24 2011 17:51 Probe1 wrote:
(AoL spoiler) + Show Spoiler +
Tell that to Huk, Mvp just used this exact build to take the first game in AoL Group C!


+ Show Spoiler +
Does MVP read team liquid strategy section? lol

+ Show Spoiler +
Cute response, but the spoiler isn't there for MVP to not read. Its for people who havnt watched the AoL games yet ^.^

+ Show Spoiler +

I think he was saying that MVP got the build on TL, jokingly of course


Not exactly my build per se, it's a bit less all in and more reactive to the fact that he wasn't being early scouted by Huk I think.

On a side note, I've been 100% terran free for a couple of month now. I've been trying hard to play a legit protoss but tonight I had a bad ladder run, got cheesed like 10 times so I tilted I took terran to get a free win (and as a reminder to you all that this build isn't as dead as you think ^^ )
Got kinda lucky to be matched with a Top 16 GM player too for the one time I use this, makes my point even stronger ^^

Geiko vs AcerOsho (EU Rank 11 GrandMaster)
[image loading]

Oh Geiko, you so silly!
This thread is never gonna die is it, ahah
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101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
October 02 2011 03:08 GMT
#1244
I took this build's wall in and turned it into 14cc Eco cheese in tvz, will post it soon
Math doesn't kill champions and neither do wards
Teliko
Profile Joined January 2011
Ireland1044 Posts
October 02 2011 14:57 GMT
#1245
On October 02 2011 11:46 Geiko wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2011 10:36 Rotodyne wrote:
On September 27 2011 10:29 sGs.Kal_rA wrote:
On September 25 2011 07:40 Jaeger wrote:
On September 24 2011 17:51 Probe1 wrote:
(AoL spoiler) + Show Spoiler +
Tell that to Huk, Mvp just used this exact build to take the first game in AoL Group C!


+ Show Spoiler +
Does MVP read team liquid strategy section? lol

+ Show Spoiler +
Cute response, but the spoiler isn't there for MVP to not read. Its for people who havnt watched the AoL games yet ^.^

+ Show Spoiler +

I think he was saying that MVP got the build on TL, jokingly of course


Not exactly my build per se, it's a bit less all in and more reactive to the fact that he wasn't being early scouted by Huk I think.

On a side note, I've been 100% terran free for a couple of month now. I've been trying hard to play a legit protoss but tonight I had a bad ladder run, got cheesed like 10 times so I tilted I took terran to get a free win (and as a reminder to you all that this build isn't as dead as you think ^^ )
Got kinda lucky to be matched with a Top 16 GM player too for the one time I use this, makes my point even stronger ^^

Geiko vs AcerOsho (EU Rank 11 GrandMaster)
[image loading]

While I'm not gonna argue that this build can still potentially work even with the current level of metagame, maybe high diamond if you play enough games, you got pretty lucky with that zergs build order. With a 15 hatch 16 pool and not scouting you until 3 minutes, it's pretty much impossible to hold 3raxx at that stage. On top of that, I'm guessing he's never heard of it either because even after scouting the low wall off, he didn't put down a single spine until you were already in his nat.
Add a drop of lavender to milk, leave town with an orange and pretend you're laughing at it.
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
October 02 2011 16:05 GMT
#1246
This is highly effective in 2v2s. Both players do this to one of the other players. (like AB vs CD, A attacks C and B attacks D). Even if only one player dies as a result of this, the game is already won because it's a player with mules and a player with mules and scvs and marines versus a one player.
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SupplyBlockedTV
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Belgium313 Posts
October 02 2011 22:40 GMT
#1247
Encountered this today as Protoss. Recognised the double depot.. went forge asap .. slammed down some cannons, chronoed out a sentry..held of the rush..and a 4gate to finnish him :p. i feel that once you have been cheesed a few times by it, it is very easy to counter.
PEW PEW PEW
101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
October 02 2011 23:04 GMT
#1248
On October 03 2011 07:40 Xenocide_EU wrote:
Encountered this today as Protoss. Recognised the double depot.. went forge asap .. slammed down some cannons, chronoed out a sentry..held of the rush..and a 4gate to finnish him :p. i feel that once you have been cheesed a few times by it, it is very easy to counter.

Double depot? This build only has 1 depot at the bottom of the ramp
Math doesn't kill champions and neither do wards
SupplyBlockedTV
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Belgium313 Posts
October 02 2011 23:22 GMT
#1249
On October 03 2011 08:04 101toss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2011 07:40 Xenocide_EU wrote:
Encountered this today as Protoss. Recognised the double depot.. went forge asap .. slammed down some cannons, chronoed out a sentry..held of the rush..and a 4gate to finnish him :p. i feel that once you have been cheesed a few times by it, it is very easy to counter.

Double depot? This build only has 1 depot at the bottom of the ramp


I ment the supply calldown thing (double supply depot.. :p). sorry, my use of language can be a bit vague at times.
PEW PEW PEW
SOB_Maj_Brian
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States522 Posts
October 02 2011 23:52 GMT
#1250
Encountered this today and got an easy win (I did not see this thread till now). My default build in P v T is 10 gate, then gas, then core, then gate on 15, then 1 more probe hold at 16/18 and then chrono first stalker plant a pylon, then chrono 2 stalker after the first one finishes (this is the fastest 3 stalker build you can possibly do). The rax at bottom of the ramp and lack of an add-on are an easy tell. Also sending the first chronod stalker to the tower is an easy tell. A rax at the bottom of the ramp to me screams, please harass this with stalkers.
pyaar
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States423 Posts
October 03 2011 01:17 GMT
#1251
On October 03 2011 08:52 SOB_Maj_Brian wrote:
Encountered this today and got an easy win (I did not see this thread till now). My default build in P v T is 10 gate, then gas, then core, then gate on 15, then 1 more probe hold at 16/18 and then chrono first stalker plant a pylon, then chrono 2 stalker after the first one finishes (this is the fastest 3 stalker build you can possibly do). The rax at bottom of the ramp and lack of an add-on are an easy tell. Also sending the first chronod stalker to the tower is an easy tell. A rax at the bottom of the ramp to me screams, please harass this with stalkers.


Do you really regularly open with a 10 gate in PvT? What league are you in?
djcyphers
Profile Joined May 2011
United States3 Posts
October 03 2011 19:16 GMT
#1252
Tried this build a few times on ladder, it's pretty effective if you scout. If things don't feel right, I"ll just go 2 rax no-gas FE rather then all-in. It's fun for a laugh, but that's usually it.
Zeon0
Profile Joined September 2010
Austria2995 Posts
October 03 2011 19:24 GMT
#1253
On October 03 2011 08:22 Xenocide_EU wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2011 08:04 101toss wrote:
On October 03 2011 07:40 Xenocide_EU wrote:
Encountered this today as Protoss. Recognised the double depot.. went forge asap .. slammed down some cannons, chronoed out a sentry..held of the rush..and a 4gate to finnish him :p. i feel that once you have been cheesed a few times by it, it is very easy to counter.

Double depot? This build only has 1 depot at the bottom of the ramp


I ment the supply calldown thing (double supply depot.. :p). sorry, my use of language can be a bit vague at times.

if you scout the calldown, terran has made a mistake, cause he should deny scouting with the first 2-3 marines.

It is still a pretty good strat, at least till low-mid master, especially in TvP.
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skatbone
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1005 Posts
October 03 2011 19:35 GMT
#1254
On October 04 2011 04:16 djcyphers wrote:
Tried this build a few times on ladder, it's pretty effective if you scout. If things don't feel right, I"ll just go 2 rax no-gas FE rather then all-in. It's fun for a laugh, but that's usually it.


This is the move that frustrates me to no end. I've prepared for an all-in only to have this happen on a handful of occasions. As a result, I end up behind in economy, getting my expo up way too late.
Mercurial#1193
Kal_rA
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2925 Posts
October 03 2011 19:50 GMT
#1255
Still strong vs toss even after 5 second rax nerf.. I'm like 80% against toss (top diamond currently).
I don't even bother with it against z or t.. Can be denied easily by slings/spine/bunker.

I wall off up top with a depot and one rax. I place the other two rax behind my mineral line in the natural.. I make sure my rine/scvs stop him from probe scouting that spot.. Without the bottom wall off, they like never see it coming. Most of the time they push with a zealot and stalker and I just pick them off on the way to their base... All losses have been micro failures on my part lol..

Just make sure they don't get a scout on the supply drop
Jaedong.
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
October 03 2011 19:51 GMT
#1256
On October 03 2011 10:17 pyaar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2011 08:52 SOB_Maj_Brian wrote:
Encountered this today and got an easy win (I did not see this thread till now). My default build in P v T is 10 gate, then gas, then core, then gate on 15, then 1 more probe hold at 16/18 and then chrono first stalker plant a pylon, then chrono 2 stalker after the first one finishes (this is the fastest 3 stalker build you can possibly do). The rax at bottom of the ramp and lack of an add-on are an easy tell. Also sending the first chronod stalker to the tower is an easy tell. A rax at the bottom of the ramp to me screams, please harass this with stalkers.


Do you really regularly open with a 10 gate in PvT? What league are you in?

You can do a great deal of early damage against a walloff or teching opponent, such as 111
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pwnagraphy
Profile Joined October 2011
United States24 Posts
November 02 2011 09:39 GMT
#1257
i have no idea how to watch the replay
"They say evil prevails when good men fail to act, what it should say is evil prevails
Geiko
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France2048 Posts
November 02 2011 09:54 GMT
#1258
Lol, I love how this topic gets randomly bumped every month ^^
geiko.813 (EU)
ThePlayer33
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia2378 Posts
November 02 2011 10:11 GMT
#1259
rofl easy to hold off as terran. who wouldve thought????



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tuestresfat
Profile Joined December 2010
2555 Posts
November 02 2011 10:11 GMT
#1260
On November 02 2011 18:39 pwnagraphy wrote:
i have no idea how to watch the replay

seriously why did you post this. if you're going to bump old threads please have a god damn good reason.

there has been over 60 pages discussing this thread, did you really deem it necessary to inform everyone you can't open the replay?
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