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evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
November 02 2011 10:56 GMT
#1261
On November 02 2011 18:39 pwnagraphy wrote:
i have no idea how to watch the replay

what do you mean? just download and double click it
Life is run, it is dance, it is fast, passionate and BAM!, you dance and sing and booze while you can for now is the time and time is mine. Smile and laugh when still can for now is the time and soon you die!
Lasbike
Profile Joined January 2011
France2888 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-02 11:04:02
November 02 2011 11:03 GMT
#1262
By the way, MarineKingPrime did this exact build in ESCW against Grubby (with the supply depot calldown, 3 barracks, etc..). The only difference he did was the lack of workers in his attack.

+ Show Spoiler +
he won the game.
Elefes
Profile Joined September 2011
Russian Federation164 Posts
November 02 2011 11:15 GMT
#1263
Oh, I love this thread.
Every now and then it bumps, and i feel like reading a good-old familiar book.
Mm, OC @15. Right, skip 2nd depot. Keep him away, guessing. And finally: BOOM! at his front door. Hehe, owned.

I like ppl who aren't ashamed to pull some 'smart cheeze'
Spitmode
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany1510 Posts
November 06 2011 13:55 GMT
#1264
this does absolutely not work vs a pool first zerg, which there are unfortunately a lot on the ladder.
"Make house -> Robots come out of house -> Robots shoot lazers -> Someone wins"
BeeNu
Profile Joined June 2011
615 Posts
November 06 2011 15:25 GMT
#1265
Eh, against players who are aware of this strategy it should never work. I've personally seen it a few times on the ladder and never once lost to it because it's so incredibly easy to scout and prepare for. It basically goes like this, "Oh the Terran is building his wall at the bottom of the ramp? Ok, time to prepare for a Marine/SCV all-in and then I win the game."
Dilaram
Profile Joined November 2011
France1 Post
November 08 2011 06:53 GMT
#1266
In the replay versus Mondragon (http://www.gamereplays.org/starcraft2/replays.php?game=33&show=download&id=209294), at the end of game we see in your vision an extractor in fog of war (aera never scouted), and you A-click move on it without scout. WTF ?!
Map hack ? :-/
Pin
Profile Joined December 2010
United States55 Posts
November 08 2011 07:00 GMT
#1267
For serious? His opponent had no hatchery and so all his buildings were being revealed.
chingchong99
Profile Joined November 2011
Nauru64 Posts
November 08 2011 07:10 GMT
#1268
On August 06 2011 00:52 Squigly wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2011 00:46 Snaphoo wrote:
On August 06 2011 00:37 Squigly wrote:
On August 06 2011 00:27 Giku wrote:
Okay:
Say I want to play random and cheese every-single-game.
Zerg: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=211243
Terran: This thread

But what does one do as protoss?


Lol Protoss is the race made for cheese. You have so many to choose from. DTs? Proxy 2 gate? Maybe make some cannons? Or just 4 gate all in if you fell like it.

3 gate Proxy stargate all in is disgustingly strong against T and Z. Its also indistinguishable from DTs when scouting. (If not id love to know the diffs, would really help me out) Most people will just assume DTs from lack of sentries no expo etc.



Your trolling is laughable. 4 Gate is terrible against any half-decent Dia Z or T, DTs are not cheese (unless Cloaked Banshees are Cheese?), and Cannons/Proxy 2 Gates will get you nowhere near a 50% winrate.

If "cheese" is defined as strong all-ins, there should be 0% disagreement that Terran has the strongest (Tank/Banshee/Marine, Raven/Tank/Banshee/Marine, 6 Naked Rax, 2 Rax + SCVs, 3 Rax, etc. etc. etc.)


Are you seriously saying that a DT rush is not cheese? And Who do you say is trolling? And yea, ive never seen a 4 gate win in pro leagues. Course not. Oh wait......

Oh btw have you heard of combatex? Cannons/2 gate proxy in master/GM and oh look hes really really good at it and rapes top players. Before you post think about what youve written. If its silly, dont click that post button


Yea, but thats NA.
~900 pts masters toss @ EU | Looking for a practice partner, pm me!
-iNko
Profile Joined August 2010
Lithuania160 Posts
November 08 2011 11:04 GMT
#1269
lol im a high masters toss and a low diamond terran at best, i tried this strat just now and won vs some gm zerg xD terran is fun :D
Squigly
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom629 Posts
November 08 2011 11:15 GMT
#1270
Well since its bumped....

Does anyone know the current list of maps (if any) where you can wall off with 1 rax and a depot? There are a few GSL ones but im talking ladder.

I dont see how you do this otherwise
Geiko
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France1959 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-08 11:33:27
November 08 2011 11:32 GMT
#1271
On November 08 2011 20:04 iNkopwnz wrote:
lol im a high masters toss and a low diamond terran at best, i tried this strat just now and won vs some gm zerg xD terran is fun :D


I know right ? Terran is so fun to play.

Last time I faced latedi on the ladder (high master protoss, he posts a lot in the strat forum) while I was 3 raxing people. He obviously knew the strat so I walled off bottom to make it look like the 3 rax all-in and went 1 rax FE. I then proceeded to just make random terran units and buildings and won the game because I had such an econ lead (he went like 3 gate expand to be safe vs the all-in).


On November 08 2011 20:15 Squigly wrote:
Well since its bumped....

Does anyone know the current list of maps (if any) where you can wall off with 1 rax and a depot? There are a few GSL ones but im talking ladder.

I dont see how you do this otherwise



All the ladder maps except the ones with big/no ramps (only Tal'darim I think ?) Some maps look like you can't it but you really can, all ramps are standard size.
geiko.813 (EU)
tuestresfat
Profile Joined December 2010
2555 Posts
November 08 2011 11:52 GMT
#1272
On November 07 2011 00:25 BeeNu wrote:
Eh, against players who are aware of this strategy it should never work. I've personally seen it a few times on the ladder and never once lost to it because it's so incredibly easy to scout and prepare for. It basically goes like this, "Oh the Terran is building his wall at the bottom of the ramp? Ok, time to prepare for a Marine/SCV all-in and then I win the game."

and then the terran goes 1rax FE and you lose to a 2 base push.
secretary bird
Profile Joined September 2011
447 Posts
November 08 2011 12:07 GMT
#1273
On November 08 2011 20:52 tuestresfat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2011 00:25 BeeNu wrote:
Eh, against players who are aware of this strategy it should never work. I've personally seen it a few times on the ladder and never once lost to it because it's so incredibly easy to scout and prepare for. It basically goes like this, "Oh the Terran is building his wall at the bottom of the ramp? Ok, time to prepare for a Marine/SCV all-in and then I win the game."

and then the terran goes 1rax FE and you lose to a 2 base push.


Then put pressure on him?

The low-ground wallin is really vulnerable and losing that depot is terrible for him as is not using the first mule if you're not trying to end the game right away .
DaMuffinman
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany1705 Posts
November 08 2011 13:34 GMT
#1274
On November 08 2011 15:53 Dilaram wrote:
In the replay versus Mondragon (http://www.gamereplays.org/starcraft2/replays.php?game=33&show=download&id=209294), at the end of game we see in your vision an extractor in fog of war (aera never scouted), and you A-click move on it without scout. WTF ?!
Map hack ? :-/


Mondragon was revealed @7:54, thats why he saw it.
But does it djent?
tuestresfat
Profile Joined December 2010
2555 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-08 19:42:08
November 08 2011 19:40 GMT
#1275
On November 08 2011 21:07 secretary bird wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2011 20:52 tuestresfat wrote:
On November 07 2011 00:25 BeeNu wrote:
Eh, against players who are aware of this strategy it should never work. I've personally seen it a few times on the ladder and never once lost to it because it's so incredibly easy to scout and prepare for. It basically goes like this, "Oh the Terran is building his wall at the bottom of the ramp? Ok, time to prepare for a Marine/SCV all-in and then I win the game."

and then the terran goes 1rax FE and you lose to a 2 base push.


Then put pressure on him?

The low-ground wallin is really vulnerable and losing that depot is terrible for him as is not using the first mule if you're not trying to end the game right away .

How exactly would you lose that low ground depot and why on earth wouldn't you use the first mule ...

Even if you somehow forced him to retreat to the highground losing a depot to players who metagame scv all in like BeeNu is completely worth it.

edit: ugh i don't know why I thought we were talking about tvz for whatever reason. ya you can definitely harass it pretty hard as toss and it's not hard for terran to throw up a bunker at the front. zerg on the other hand can't harass the wall very well and any metagaming they do will usually put them very far behind a 1rax FE.
Ricedorf
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany61 Posts
November 10 2011 21:27 GMT
#1276
I tried that build like 20 games last 2 days. got like 30% winrate.. best MU vs P..

is this build to know to get high masters ?

i am mid diamond on EU
I dont play terran cuz i have self respect
Nyter
Profile Joined June 2011
Netherlands22 Posts
November 10 2011 21:34 GMT
#1277
This build is figured out now, just go TLO's 7 rax vs toss win 99% of ur games. masters EU
DreamHuK <3
lordofterror1
Profile Joined October 2011
Mexico2 Posts
November 11 2011 06:28 GMT
#1278
I love this build, only that in that in NA is so figured out that even executing perfectly its tough to win. Best of luck for this wonderful thread
I’m a great believer in luck, and I find the harder I work the more I have of it. Thomas Jefferson
ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13407 Posts
November 11 2011 06:48 GMT
#1279
On November 11 2011 06:27 Ricedorf wrote:
I tried that build like 20 games last 2 days. got like 30% winrate.. best MU vs P..

is this build to know to get high masters ?

i am mid diamond on EU


Look at the date of the OP, this build has been figured out for the most part and people have read this 1300 reply TL thread so they have an idea of how to stop it. This doesn't mean you won't get any wins but its not as good as it used to be.
StrategyRTS forever | @ZeromuS_plays | www.twitch.tv/Zeromus_
HMzK
Profile Joined November 2011
74 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-11 07:33:00
November 11 2011 07:30 GMT
#1280
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