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6-7 Pool to Top 400 NA - Your Thoughts?

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rottenpotato
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada130 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-10 23:45:37
April 10 2011 22:15 GMT
#1
Let me start by saying that I don't condone in any way cheesing, especially to the extreme that I took it that week. I don't play like this.

I had taken an extended break before the lockout of season 1. I started the week needing to burn up 1840 bonus pool. That's a lot of games.

I crunched some numbers: there's absolutely no way I'd have enough time to play that many real games in one week.

I wanted a better emblem for the season.

Solution? Fast games. 6 pools(7 vs zerg).


What did I learn? It works amazingly.

**NOTE** The following percentages are based on master's 1500 through 3300-3400 players. There is a wall you hit shortly after where the percentages drop largely. Terran to about 2-5%, Zerg is about the same, and Protoss to around 55-65%.

Win ratio vs Terran: ~15-20%
Win ratio vs Zerg: ~65-75%
Win ratio vs Protoss: ~85-95%

My MMR at the end sat at at around 3800-3900. I fought a few "e-famous" people including Flabulous, Kiwikaki, and VTWhiplash (to be fair I had no idea who this guy was until I saw him on the Dallas stream a few days ago...and again to be fair I still don't).


What are your thoughts on 6pooling at high levels of play?


You can find the replay pack here:

6-7 pool replay pack
dacthehork
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2000 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-10 22:21:29
April 10 2011 22:18 GMT
#2
Anything that wins that high of a % is viable, although I would learn a different ZvT allin like baneling bust.

Cheese is part of the game, if anything more people should cheese / do refined cheese/timing attacks because overall it will help ladder players test their builds more anyway.

It's a big flaw that NA players don't refine timing attacks / cheese because it just helps everyone, including macro players who have to actually execute their "standard" builds better / react better to cheese.

If anything it exemplifies how "soft" (terrible) NA ladder / non top top players is/are.
Warturtle - DOTA 2 is KING
Twistacles
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada1327 Posts
April 10 2011 22:19 GMT
#3
That's pretty hilarious. Not sure why you'd want a replay pack, though.
"If you don't give a shit which gum you buy, get stride" - Tyler
Loomies
Profile Joined July 2010
United States645 Posts
April 10 2011 22:20 GMT
#4
do the protoss players get mad at you? I guess i should do this more since I'm in gold and 99% of protoss 4 warpgate
Magni
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada40 Posts
April 10 2011 22:21 GMT
#5
My ZvZ strat for a while was 7pool just because I find that matchup rather frustrating. I've since changed my strat because playing what seems to be a coinflip (I can win or my opponent can win, all depending on the build he chooses at the start) was further frustrating.
The Infernal Pre-Igniter.
rottenpotato
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada130 Posts
April 10 2011 22:21 GMT
#6
Protoss players got absolutely pissed(most), and I don't blame them.

That VTWhiplash guy's brain exploded.

The replay pack is more to see the BM that people portray or if people want to learn how to stop it. It includes all the games I lost as well.
Bizarro252
Profile Joined January 2011
180 Posts
April 10 2011 22:23 GMT
#7
Funny...but sad at the same time......(im toss)

ThE_OsToJiY
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Canada1167 Posts
April 10 2011 22:24 GMT
#8
I played a guy like this yesterday. He 6pooled me with all his drones + bad micro so I checked his matchlist to how he got his MMR that high and I saw he 6pooled every game. Shows how easy the NA ladder can be...
@ostojiy
Rotodyne
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States2263 Posts
April 10 2011 22:24 GMT
#9
This is awesome :D
I can only play starcraft when I am shit canned. IPXZERG is a god.
Logros
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands9913 Posts
April 10 2011 22:24 GMT
#10
I can imagine protoss especially having a hard time on 4 player maps as the chance is pretty big that you're gonna scout it too late to react properly.
Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-10 22:24:25
April 10 2011 22:24 GMT
#11
yo which game is whiplash

:D
Semipro Terran player | Pokebunny#1710 | twitter.com/Pokebunny | twitch.tv/Pokebunny | facebook.com/PokebunnySC
Like a Boss
Profile Joined January 2011
502 Posts
April 10 2011 22:24 GMT
#12
Zergs need to be 6pooling way more often.
Gatsbi
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1134 Posts
April 10 2011 22:25 GMT
#13
Haha.. this is awesome.
"IF WHAT YOU DO NOT KNOW IS MORE THAN WHAT YOU HAVE KNOWN. THEN YOU HAVE NOT KNOWN ANYTHINIG YET." - Rev Kojo Smith
Zerokaiser
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada885 Posts
April 10 2011 22:25 GMT
#14
If a Protoss player is in the top 400 and hasn't learned how to safeguard themselves from 6pool, they deserve to lose.
Lanaia is love.
Gnax
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden490 Posts
April 10 2011 22:26 GMT
#15
6 pooling is a great way to piss somebody off. I was once 6 pooled 3 times in a row, losing them all. That made me so furious that the next 20 games all I did was 6 pool, 6 rax and proxy gate. Didn't work out very well for me though.
ElusoryX
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Singapore2047 Posts
April 10 2011 22:26 GMT
#16
how do you even check your mmr?
xd
lim1017
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1278 Posts
April 10 2011 22:26 GMT
#17
I always 10 gate in PvZ because of this
Whiplash
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States2928 Posts
April 10 2011 22:26 GMT
#18
On April 11 2011 07:21 rottenpotato wrote:
Protoss players got absolutely pissed(most), and I don't blame them.

That VTWhiplash guy's brain exploded.

The replay pack is more to see the BM that people portray or if people want to learn how to stop it. It includes all the games I lost as well.


Lol ya I tend to get pretty angry when I lose to cheese. I am much more experienced vs 6 pool now though, so I challenge you to a 6 pool rematch whenever! My rage is never a personal attack of hatred, just me venting my frustration.


(also blizz should make a spawning pool require 2 overlords, dustin browder's excuse for keeping 6 pool in the game is that they want the player to be on the edge of their seat from the start of the game which is some BS)
Cinematographer / Steadicam Operator. Former Starcraft commentator/player
rottenpotato
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada130 Posts
April 10 2011 22:26 GMT
#19
On April 11 2011 07:24 Pokebunny wrote:
yo which game is whiplash

:D



I'm not sure

I took all the replays for that week and removed the 3-4 Zealot Frenzy games I played for fun. There might be a couple real games in there too (I started playing vs Terrans towards the end because the chance of loss with a 6pool was too great).
Zerkaszhan
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada120 Posts
April 10 2011 22:27 GMT
#20
probably the best and yes i dont enjoy doign it but sometimes 6 pooling a toss is fun if ur fursturated
here comes the swarm
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