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whiterabb1t
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium681 Posts
April 15 2011 13:00 GMT
#301
There has to be a balance between policing that legit/viable strategies are shared/discussed and a few other nonstandard exploratory/risky ones too. So far I don't see TL totally discouraged by the purge. This could be good, if only they share honest well thought of strategies, regardless of the eventual nonviability of it.

IMO, the purge should be more to discourage laziness and idiocy at the same time encourage crazy new ones. So far i think balance is kept.
gongryong
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Korea (South)1430 Posts
April 15 2011 13:01 GMT
#302
Poll: A week after the PURGE, it the SC2 Strat better now?

No (Harsher punishments pls) (42)
 
76%

Yes (Good Job Everyone!) (13)
 
24%

55 total votes

Your vote: A week after the PURGE, it the SC2 Strat better now?

(Vote): Yes (Good Job Everyone!)
(Vote): No (Harsher punishments pls)

JAEDONG ÜBERBONJWA!
Mofisto
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom585 Posts
April 15 2011 13:23 GMT
#303
On April 15 2011 22:01 gongryong wrote:
Poll: A week after the PURGE, it the SC2 Strat better now?

No (Harsher punishments pls) (42)
 
76%

Yes (Good Job Everyone!) (13)
 
24%

55 total votes

Your vote: A week after the PURGE, it the SC2 Strat better now?

(Vote): Yes (Good Job Everyone!)
(Vote): No (Harsher punishments pls)



Without a doubt the forum is getting better. The only problem I have with it all is that some people are getting away with a warning/nothing at all (other than their thread closed) when they should be getting bans.

I think that unless the mod's get even stricter (as in they follow the rules to a t, and ban people for even the most minor transgressions) the forum will go back to how it used to be, as people will think they can get away with it. Allow minor things to go unpunished and it wont be long before people start pushing their luck and posting trash.
"Speed has never killed anyone. Suddenly becoming stationary, that's what gets you."
H0bgawblin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States109 Posts
April 16 2011 20:59 GMT
#304
This is good for TL and as a dude who is having a hard time finding information that is valid short of watching the GSL, this is huge.
trew
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden93 Posts
April 16 2011 21:10 GMT
#305
On April 15 2011 22:01 gongryong wrote:
Poll: A week after the PURGE, it the SC2 Strat better now?

No (Harsher punishments pls) (42)
 
76%

Yes (Good Job Everyone!) (13)
 
24%

55 total votes

Your vote: A week after the PURGE, it the SC2 Strat better now?

(Vote): Yes (Good Job Everyone!)
(Vote): No (Harsher punishments pls)



No "Yes, Good job everyone, but I want harsher punishments" option?
Saracen
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5139 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-17 04:40:41
April 17 2011 04:38 GMT
#306
Added:
If you argue with a highlighted user/known player without good reason, you will be BANNED. Why? It's a privilege to have these guys posting advice here. They don't gain anything from giving you advice, and treating them with anything less than the respect they deserve only chases them away. So ask yourself this: do you really want pros posting in your threads? If so, be respectful. If not, you probably don't belong here. But fear not, there are plenty of other strategy forums you could be posting in.
Umpteen
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom1570 Posts
April 17 2011 16:30 GMT
#307
I've noticed there's been somewhat less fire and brimstone doled out than was advertised in the gospel according to Saracen; is this the calm before the storm, or are people just not drinking heavily enough yet?
The existence of a food chain is inescapable if we evolved unsupervised, and inexcusable otherwise.
Gonff
Profile Joined May 2010
United States686 Posts
April 17 2011 16:54 GMT
#308
I applaud this effort. After finally registering for a TL account 11 months ago, I read through the strat forum once and never did so again. I don't expect I'll ever have anything worthwhile to post there, but I would really like to see higher quality advice more reliably available to average players like myself.
iamke55
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
United States2806 Posts
April 17 2011 21:30 GMT
#309
I wish there was a purge for LR threads as well...
During practice session, I discovered very good build against zerg. -Bisu[Shield]
Tohrazer
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom75 Posts
April 17 2011 21:44 GMT
#310
all looks good, we want higher quality posts - one small thing that concerns me is that obvious micro/macro errors in replays will = ban, basically anyone diamond or below will always have obvious micro or macro errors, especially platinum and below, i know you stated in this thread that you dont care what league someone is in, but its literally impossible for a platinum/gold etc guy to play without very obvious macro flaws, maybe update to add that the guys macro/micro has to be bad for his league? (aka much worse than his opponent for some reason, assuming its a ladder match replay)

im saying this as a platinum player, i know every game i play has flaws in its fundementals, and right now id fear posting a replay based on that - even if im still confused why i lost despite this, because (for example) the other guys macro was equally flawed

i dont disagree that it would be great to have higher quality posts in the strategy forum nor am i claiming to be the most super-able contributor either however this stuck out to me so i decided to write this post

regards,
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
April 17 2011 21:44 GMT
#311
On April 18 2011 06:30 iamke55 wrote:
I wish there was a purge for LR threads as well...

Are you kidding me? Every TSL night produces raughly 3 pages of banned people, how much more moderation do you want in LR threads?
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
L3g3nd_
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand10461 Posts
April 18 2011 12:00 GMT
#312
On April 18 2011 06:30 iamke55 wrote:
I wish there was a purge for LR threads as well...

im fairly sure i read (i think in the warning part of an LR thread, or maybe twitter) that they are gonna really crack down on the LR threads soon
https://twitter.com/#!/IrisAnother
Antisocialmunky
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5912 Posts
April 18 2011 14:45 GMT
#313
On April 17 2011 13:38 Saracen wrote:
Added:
Show nested quote +
If you argue with a highlighted user/known player without good reason, you will be BANNED. Why? It's a privilege to have these guys posting advice here. They don't gain anything from giving you advice, and treating them with anything less than the respect they deserve only chases them away. So ask yourself this: do you really want pros posting in your threads? If so, be respectful. If not, you probably don't belong here. But fear not, there are plenty of other strategy forums you could be posting in.


You should change 'argue without good reason' to something more specific. That's too general when you don't define 'good reason.'

Maybe something like 'If you cannot backup your point, don't argue [with a blue poster]'.
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Tudi
Profile Joined January 2011
Romania127 Posts
April 18 2011 18:13 GMT
#314
Pretty good rules, the only one I'm concerned about is the [H]-thread requirements. Obviously if a newbie knew how to analyze his reply, spot his macro/micro mistakes or simply understand a not-so-intuitive fact like "marauders counter roaches" he would not require the guidance of other TL members.

Maybe a separate forum where newbies can roam free? But tbh probably way more trouble than worth.
TeNNiS
Profile Joined April 2011
3 Posts
April 18 2011 21:37 GMT
#315
Woah. Saracen is mad and I love it. But it is definitely true.
Drock
Profile Joined October 2010
United States305 Posts
April 18 2011 21:46 GMT
#316
This is really awesome, because honestly I was told by a lot of my friends to stay away from the strategy forum as a majority of it was just plain wrong information or theorycrafting that had no substance. Hopefully this allow me to browse the strategy section with confidence!

Thanks!
I kinda miss Idra...
Autofire2
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Pakistan290 Posts
April 18 2011 21:59 GMT
#317
I agree with Tahrazer, I feel unable to ever post a replay because obviously, as a Silver just getting back into the game, I'm going to have huge macro flaws. And the problem is, that'll be true even though my macro has improved a lot.

I guess if your intent was to encourage below-diamond players to shut up, listen, and improve on their own that's cool, but honestly, if the rules had been this strict when I started posting I'd be a lot worse than I am now, simply because I gained an appreciation for HOW to analyze my play and HOW bad my macro really was. It's very easy to "give yourself a break" in such a difficult game; SC2 is so competitive at even the silver level (for people like me who have never competitively played an RTS) that you don't realize how terrible your seemingly-minor mistakes are.
Lea
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden120 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-18 22:41:06
April 18 2011 22:33 GMT
#318
If your thread is about a new strategy and you do not have a damn good analysis (with replays) (i.e. I think your thread is too theorycrafty), you can play against me in a BO3 with your strategy. If you lose, you will be BANNED.


How do you circumvent the problem if the user in question does not have an account on the US servers, or may lose to you due to other reasons rather than a necessarily flawed build?

EDIT
Also voicing the idea that maybe adding a subforum directed to help players only might also redirect a lot of unnecessary threats, while still allowing players like the ones posted above me who know about their micro and macro issues but still seek out advice because they also know they failed in other areas but are uncertain how to analyze it at that point.

I also realize such a subforum could get messy, but this was also bound to happen when the TL forums opened up to the public and was not only limited to pros, since the majority of the SC2 players are not found in diamond and above.

I do believe there must be a solution to be found that does not necessarily disencourage players to not post but still realize they need more help than the knowledge they possess themselves when analyzing a game.
infinity21 *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada6683 Posts
April 18 2011 22:38 GMT
#319
On April 19 2011 07:33 Lea wrote:
Show nested quote +
If your thread is about a new strategy and you do not have a damn good analysis (with replays) (i.e. I think your thread is too theorycrafty), you can play against me in a BO3 with your strategy. If you lose, you will be BANNED.


How do you circumvent the problem if the user in question does not have an account on the US servers, or may lose to you due to other reasons rather than a necessarily flawed build?

By having a damn good analysis with replays to back it up. I don't think that's out of anyone's capability to complete.
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BallsOfSteel
Profile Joined September 2010
United States57 Posts
April 20 2011 02:18 GMT
#320
If I can find another ongoing discussion on the same topic, you will be BANNED.


Does this apply to guides too? In most cases, a bad guide won't be ongoing and probably won't apply to the new rules anyways. However, if somebody thinks they can improve on a decent guide where the discussion has slowed , should they be allowed to try?
I try to put the fear of God in my opponents, but I settle for the fear of me.
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