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Also voicing the idea that maybe adding a subforum directed to help players only might also redirect a lot of unnecessary threats, while still allowing players like the ones posted above me who know about their micro and macro issues but still seek out advice because they also know they failed in other areas but are uncertain how to analyze it at that point.
To make my earlier point again: visitors to the site construct their mental image of the state of the game based on the site contents. Getting out of bronze/silver/gold/plat is pretty much a solved problem, and the forums should reflect that: lots of guides, very few low level help threads. If you introduce a slackly moderated forum for such threads, what are visitors going to think? And will it help them improve?
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Should we report posts that violate these guidelines? I've been doing it but I'm worried that will clog up your inbox...
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On April 21 2011 03:15 [Atomic]Peace wrote:
Should we report posts that violate these guidelines? I've been doing it but I'm worried that will clog up your inbox...
It was stated earlier in the thread that if a mod feels you are using the report feature too much they will tell you so. Until then report away! (using good judgment of course)
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On April 21 2011 03:21 Bair wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2011 03:15 [Atomic]Peace wrote:
Should we report posts that violate these guidelines? I've been doing it but I'm worried that will clog up your inbox... It was stated earlier in the thread that if a mod feels you are using the report feature too much they will tell you so. Until then report away! (using good judgment of course)
Whered my report button go?!
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So far its just been a ton closed threads and not much actual warning/banning going on, idk if it seems that way for anyone else.
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On April 20 2011 11:58 Umpteen wrote:
Getting out of bronze/silver/gold/plat is pretty much a solved problem, and the forums should reflect that: lots of guides, very few low level help threads.
The specific case where a low-level help thread might be valuable is where someone has read the guides and still doesn't understand how to achieve what the guides are recommending. Having a different place for this than the Strategy forum would keep the high-level discussion less cluttered and more distinct, but there still could be a place for people who just don't know how to evaluate what they're looking at in a lost game.
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On April 23 2011 07:50 Lysenko wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2011 11:58 Umpteen wrote:
Getting out of bronze/silver/gold/plat is pretty much a solved problem, and the forums should reflect that: lots of guides, very few low level help threads. The specific case where a low-level help thread might be valuable is where someone has read the guides and still doesn't understand how to achieve what the guides are recommending. Having a different place for this than the Strategy forum would keep the high-level discussion less cluttered and more distinct, but there still could be a place for people who just don't know how to evaluate what they're looking at in a lost game.
I'm not 100% sure what you're describing. If you can't follow the existing guides on analysing and improving your own play, why not just post a request for clarification in the guide thread? So long as you demonstrate you've read the OP, and provide a replay - and ask nicely - I'm sure people will be more than happy to help out. Which will also keep the most popular guides bumped, and if necessary updated and improved.
Or maybe you mean something completely different 
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Sorry for double post; TSL just finished for the night and the site imploded.
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This purge already changed a lot, I wished you'd be a little more strict with banning though. There's no excuse for not reading this.
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On April 27 2011 01:21 zatic wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 08:30 FinestHour wrote:
So far its just been a ton closed threads and not much actual warning/banning going on, idk if it seems that way for anyone else. There has been a ton of warnings / bans right as the purge began. Since then the spam has decreased significantly. I am really glad that this seems to be working at least somewhat. The forum isn't where it should be by a long shot yet but it has definitely improved just from 1 or 2 months ago.
most definitely and I for one thank you Zatic. I know I was guilty of it a few times when I was newer but the factual, analytical threads are appearing more and more often and are much appreciated
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Looks like TL isn't the 'understanding mentor' type xD. If you'll forgive me for saying so, it seems a bit harsh to dish out bans for making a post with a flawed strategy. A flaw in my strategy is usually the main reason I make a thread. I know this is to stop every user making a thread when they just need a good read of a build order, but to be perfectly honest I'm plainly scared of the punishment I'll get for doing anything wrong o_O
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On April 28 2011 07:42 HavokTheorem wrote:
Looks like TL isn't the 'understanding mentor' type xD. If you'll forgive me for saying so, it seems a bit harsh to dish out bans for making a post with a flawed strategy. A flaw in my strategy is usually the main reason I make a thread. I know this is to stop every user making a thread when they just need a good read of a build order, but to be perfectly honest I'm plainly scared of the punishment I'll get for doing anything wrong o_O
As long as you put some effort into your OP, nothing bad will happen to you. As responding to OPs, if you shouldn't be giving advice, then don't. If you're the OP, you don't want a bunch of potentially incorrect pieces of advice, do you?
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On April 28 2011 07:45 Saracen wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2011 07:42 HavokTheorem wrote:
Looks like TL isn't the 'understanding mentor' type xD. If you'll forgive me for saying so, it seems a bit harsh to dish out bans for making a post with a flawed strategy. A flaw in my strategy is usually the main reason I make a thread. I know this is to stop every user making a thread when they just need a good read of a build order, but to be perfectly honest I'm plainly scared of the punishment I'll get for doing anything wrong o_O As long as you put some effort into your OP, nothing bad will happen to you. As responding to OPs, if you shouldn't be giving advice, then don't. If you're the OP, you don't want a bunch of potentially incorrect pieces of advice, do you?
So, to what extent may one differentiate between a lowly nub, and a basement dwelling, four eyed, jew with money issues and a history of sexual violence (as seen above)?
User was temp banned for this post.
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So this post made my motherfucking TL blood boil.
On April 08 2011 14:51 entropius wrote:
-1, imo.
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Such draconian ZOMG YOU WILL BE BANNED moderation and mod-rage is really not terribly constructive, in my opinion. Whether it is the intent or not, this sort of thing (having BANNED in red caps twenty times in a post) makes anyone below high masters terrified to post here.
First of all, even if that were the effect, would that be a bad thing? No.
However, it is not. In the Broodwar days these were the rules and we had many good threads from D-/D/C-/C players asking for advice, trying to analyze their own rep, not realizing their mistake, etc....and/or asking about a strategy in a matchup on a particular map, and asking for reps, etc...
These rules make anyone below high masters scared to act like they know shit. NOT the same thing as making them afraid to post altogether. And, in an objective sense, thats a good thing.
Whether it is the intent or not, this sort of police-statery will have a chilling effect on well-intentioned discussion. Yes, I realize that the TL staff can do whatever they want with their webspace, and that people who don't like it are free to go elsewhere; the problem is that some people who you don't want to stop posting *will* likely stop posting and/or go elsewhere.
and TL won't miss them. Do you even know TL? I can imagine Kennigit sitting at his comp at 4AM, drunk, going "Don't let the door hit you on the way back kiddie." . No matter how much he cares about TL, he'd do that until there are only the core members left if it came down to that. Becuase TL is principled, we are not motherfucking 4chan "take anyone who comes like a fucking whore"...
I feel that there are less merciless and less exclusive ways to improve the quality of posting on the strategy forum.
you aren't a mod. you aren't a known person. you aren't even a cool guy based on this whiny ass post. shut the fuck up i dont think anyone cares about your 'ways'.
Also, perhaps the place for the super-high-level, exhaustively-researched, took-five-hours-to-write posts that this post seems to encourage is Liquipedia? I notice that its SC2 strategy section is missing coverage of some fundamental topics.
i can think of hundreds, if not thousands of broodwar strat forum posts that follow all these guidelines, that took well under 10 minutes to type. unless ur like .01 word per minute...
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I think I just got a little choked up reading this :')
And I don't even really follow SC2 Strat forums. Heck, up until recently I had it collapsed.
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Not that I post often in this forum, but damn Saracen, that is one mighty stic..err..bazooka... your waving around. Time to put on our thinking caps.
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[*]If your thread doesn't apply at a high enough level, it will be CLOSED.
What if you are asking higher level players to test out your build because you are not a high level player yet?
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On April 08 2011 11:11 Saracen wrote:
[*]If your post pisses me off or is just inappropriate, you will be BANNED.
I see a raging Mod, but i missed the /ragequit.
Whats so wrong with the Strategy Forum ?
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