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Yea this is a great idea and I agree with it 100%, but ...
If your thread is about a new strategy and you do not have a damn good analysis (with replays) (i.e. I think your thread is too theorycrafty), you can play against me in a BO3 with your strategy. If you lose, you will be BANNED.
.. lol? are you serious? ...so what happens when you lose in the BO3? this sounds absolutely ridiculous to me, no offense.
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On May 17 2011 21:53 GGzerG wrote:Yea this is a great idea and I agree with it 100%, but ... Show nested quote +If your thread is about a new strategy and you do not have a damn good analysis (with replays) (i.e. I think your thread is too theorycrafty), you can play against me in a BO3 with your strategy. If you lose, you will be BANNED. .. lol? are you serious? ...so what happens when you lose in the BO3? this sounds absolutely ridiculous to me, no offense. If he has reason to play you in a BO3, odds are your strategy is terrible and you won't beat him (he's a masters zerg iirc so he's skilled, but I don't know how PvP, TvT, etc. builds will go down)
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Just came across this and am so happy. I rarely posted in strategy because frankly I dont think I have the knowledge to help and as far as improving I prefer to self-learn, practice, or just read up/watch replays. That said I stopped reading the Strategy forum months ago because of how terrible it had become it simply wasn't worth my time filtering through all the muck. Now you have highlighted posters, a mod with a ready ban hammer and a purge. Im so happy that I will be puttering back here much more often now even if it is just to lurk and read. Thnx!
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Would it be a good idea to add in some more levels of punishment for not following the guidelines?
Someone makes a crummy thread without searching, without a reply, without analysis or evidence. Instead of giving them a warning or just out right banning them, could you just stop them from creating threads for X amount of time and link them to this thread? Alot of people make new threads and are seemingly oblivious to the forum guidelines, once told about them they realise their mistake, although i haven't seen any of them do anything about it.
Also, could you add make it so that you must have X number of posts before creating a thread? So hopefully new people will see how a thread should be laid out
Edit: Actually, that second idea sucks. It would just result in more spam posts Edit 2: Spelling :D
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I look at the strat forum section right now, in the top 5 topics I see 0 tags... ok, 2 of the topics are this one, and the simple question simple answer one, but still.. A lot of the time, even is the post is good, people are lazy to put a tag on it. It is so simple, yet they don't do it. meh, its just annoying...
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Way to go TL.net! I like this new crack down, instant justice system. I don't ever post anyway because I'm a total scrub. But its hard to improve with literally a thousand people yelling and rambling on forums. Nevertheless, this site continues to impress me on a daily basis. Bravo!
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This is something the forum has been missing for a while. May I suggest a group of recruits/interns policing the forums to enforce the aforementioned rules and restrictions? With proper application/screening process, this could take some work off of your hands and make sure things get done right.
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On May 19 2011 04:30 ditkaordie wrote: wrong thread woooooooops Banned!
Jk! I think this is an awesome change. I hate sifting through crappy threads.
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Well.. I better be careful about what I say.. I already was being careful but now I better be REALLY careful or my ass is looking at some painful bans.. and I feel like saracen will enjoy them..
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I've been away from TL (and SC2) for 2-3 months so I'm reading this now for the first time.
If I may echo most of the sentiments of the first 10-12 pages, thank you TL mod team!! The SC2 Strat forum was getting way out of control, now maybe I can actually find useful posts and write-ups...
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+ Show Spoiler +On April 08 2011 11:11 Saracen wrote:You may or may not have seen the purge thread. You may or may not have read the Stickied threads. You may or may not have seen the various awesome guides on TL for improving your gameplay. Hell, you may not even know about the search function. If you haven't read all of these, read them NOW:Purge: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=208101Strategy Forum Guidelines: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=113479Simply Questions Simple Answers: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=187808How to Analyze Replays: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=195389Recommended Threads: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=192233How to Improve: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=208343Search Function: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.phpLiquipedia: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Main_PageThe bottom line is: I've been moderating the Strategy Forum pretty diligently for the past week and I'm getting sick of it. There's a huge difference between where the Strategy Forum is at right now and where we want it to be. No more warnings, no more closures with friendly explanations. For those of you posting threads:- If you don't properly tag your thread, your thread will be CLOSED.
- If it's clear to me you haven't read one of the threads linked above, you will be BANNED.
For those of you posting [H]/[L] threads:- If you do not post a replay, you will be BANNED.
- If you do not attempt to analyze your game, you will be BANNED.
- If I watch your replay and there are obvious flaws (macro, micro, etc.) in your game that contribute to your loss, you will be BANNED (Hint: read the Analyzing Replays thread and the How to Improve thread). Why? Because if you care enough about your gameplay to clutter up the Strategy Forum with another [H] thread, then you care enough to spend time by yourself to actually improve. Basically, this is if I feel you are being lazy and having others do work for you when you have put in minimal effort yourself.
For those of you posting [Q] threads:- If I can find the answer to your thread using the search function, you will be BANNED.
- If I can answer your thread in a few sentences, you will be BANNED (Hint: Simple Questions Simple Answers thread).
For those of you posting [G] threads:- If I feel it sucks, it will be CLOSED.
- If I feel it doesn't contain enough information, it will be CLOSED.
- If the guide doesn't apply to a high enough level, it will be CLOSED. Why? Because we have quality standards at TL. The Strategy Forum is for helping people be the best they can be. If you have a fun build you want to write a guide about, blog it or post it on the B.net forums.
For those of you posting [D]/[I] threads:- If I can find another ongoing discussion on the same topic, you will be BANNED.
- If you're posting an [I] thread, if it's clear you haven't tried your idea before posting about it, you will be BANNED.
- If you talk about imbalance or make balance suggestions, you will be BANNED. We're not here to change the game - that's Blizzard's job (or take it to SC2 General if you must). We're here to do the best with what we have.
- If your thread is about a new strategy and you do not have a damn good analysis (with replays) (i.e. I think your thread is too theorycrafty), you can play against me in a BO3 with your strategy. If you lose, you will be BANNED.
- If your thread doesn't apply at a high enough level, it will be CLOSED.
For those of you responding to threads:- If you say anything about imbalance, you will be BANNED.
- If you give incorrect advice, you will be SHOT DOWN. If you aren't sure whether or not you should be giving advice, then don't. That doesn't mean don't give advice if you're not masters. But anyone (masters included) giving advice better be pretty damn sure of their advice before they give it.
- If you give unhelpful advice, you will be BANNED.
- If your post pisses me off or is just inappropriate, you will be BANNED.
- If you argue with a highlighted user/known player without good reason, you will be BANNED. Why? It's a privilege to have these guys posting advice here. They don't gain anything from giving you advice, and treating them with anything less than the respect they deserve only chases them away. So ask yourself this: do you really want pros posting in your threads? If so, be respectful. If not, you probably don't belong here. But fear not, there are plenty of other strategy forums you could be posting in.
Everything else is up to my discretion.Questions? (read this because I'm not going to respond to questions)The reason we have such strict moderation is we want people in this community to be self-sufficient, not dependent on others, and we want to keep discussion in the Strategy Forum at the highest level. That means quality guides, meaningful discussion about new builds and strategies, and asking for help only as a a last resort (but giving beneficial responses to any help threads). Being able to help yourself is key to becoming a better player, and it also, it reduces clutter in the Strategy Forum. Think about what your ideal Strategy Forum would look like. What would you rather see on the sidebar: Show nested quote +[H] 6 pool [Q] How do I stop 4gate? [D] Void ray balance changes help me idk what i'm doing wrong I don't feel like tagging my help threads but help anyways (Replay included) OR Show nested quote +[G] ZvP 3 Gate Expand [D] Stargate versus Robo play in PvZ [G] How to Improve [G] Basic Openings/Timings Chrono Boost Math If you don't feel your thread deserves to be on the sidebar, don't post it. If I don't feel your thread deserves to be on the sidebar, it won't be there.NOTE: All bans will be temporary Strategy Forum bans. Feel free to PM me about bans/thread closures. haha nice
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This sums up the reason why I don't even attempt to post in the strategy forum on here, nothing you post isn't ridiculed and cut up to no end.
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I'd like to say- I'm very happy with the results of the purge so far. Looking at the little side bar, it was a solid line of XvX - -Strat- *discuss* - heartening to see.
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Not long after SC2 came out, I would always hear people hyping up the TL forums as if simply posting here made a person intelligent, implying that the quality of both the members of the site and the forum discussions were of the highest quality; so I eventually decided to check this palce out. Aside from the outstanding contributions provided by the pros/higher ups though, I can honestly say that this forum didn't impress me any more than the blizzard forums.
It was as if, with the advent of SC2, those new to the game learned of TL's reputation and flocked here in a pitiful attempt to guise their comparatively paltry thoughts and opinions on the state of the game as something worthy of being heard simply because they had a TL account. Based on the quality of the better contributions to the website, however, as well as the reputation it has earned, I was sure that the standards of the forums had been much greater at one point than they seemed to be when I first came across it.
I'm glad to hear there are going to be crackdowns for the purposes of quality control, and look forward to seeing these forums in a state which its reputation suggests it would be.
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Can we stop people asking "Here is 1 replay of a game I played that I lost, what did I do wrong?"? Those really don't seem to warrant a thread. Perhaps a replay help thread or something to collate them? I dunno, they just clog up my mind every time I go to the strategy forum.
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Moderators, can you please reinforce this rule more? It looks like all people are doing are making [D], [H] in their threads, and doing the exact same thing as they did before. Can a harsher punishment please be implemented? I see the strategy section reverting to how it was a few months ago..... the dark ages...
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These [H]How do I deal with xyz? should be banned from existing anyways imo.Its just flooding the forum right now and most of these threads already have a answer to them,you just need to search for it.
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