EPTBut, I understand the reasons for this and appreciate the ultimate goal you guys are trying to achieve, but quite an intimidating method nonetheless; perhaps there was no other choice though.
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Kahuna.
Canada196 Posts
But, I understand the reasons for this and appreciate the ultimate goal you guys are trying to achieve, but quite an intimidating method nonetheless; perhaps there was no other choice though. | ||
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
No seriously, there's still a lot of bad threads  | ||
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Saracen
United States5139 Posts
On June 23 2011 16:27 Probe1 wrote: I think its about time we kicked this purge into over drive. No seriously, there's still a lot of bad threads Feel free to PM/post examples. | ||
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funk100
United Kingdom172 Posts
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Alejandrisha
United States6566 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=236553 close plox lol. only a month til I get report function. Man am I pumped. | ||
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kNightLite
United States408 Posts
The mod who closed it ended the thread with this: You say people can pull workers to save them so they don't die to a nuke. You say its a waste because you lose mining time, can you provide analysis and charts to back your claim. I need to know how much minerals am I loosing waiting for nuke to go off and how much he is loosing for not killing anything. I posted these specifics in the thread 6 posts before the mod closed it. If the mod followed the guidelines and actually read the thread they would know that. Instead they just took one look at the OP and decided to shut down the entire discussion. Just because the OP is bad does not mean the entire thread is bad. Lord knows there's plenty of *good* OPs that need to be shut down because discussion turns sour. Its really frustrating to put in a lot of time and effort into a reply and then see the thread shut down a few minutes later just because the OP didn't dot their "i"s and cross their "t"s. It discourages discussion. I'm sure as heck not going to make a new thread on the same topic. Not only would it be redundant, I also have no clue if the mods would close it just like that one. Besides, look at some of the posts that actual pros have made on this forum: Thorzain: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=216530¤tpage=5 Whiplash: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=232753¤tpage=11 Jinro: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=225226¤tpage=2 These are *good* posts. I *want* to see posts like these here in the strategy forum. And yet, they didn't watch replays, they didn't back up their stuff with evidence, and they didn't jump through a gazillion hoops to make certain their posts were up to ridiculous guidelines. Do you *want* to alienate posts like these? Is there going to be a double standard where some posters (decided arbitrarily by mods) get leeway but others do not? I think that the recent draconian measures are stupid. You can be a pro player and write a stupid post just as easily as you could be a noob player and write a smart post. And before you give the me "STFU or GTFO" line, I know TL isn't a democracy, but that doesn't mean that authority gets to be immune to criticism. | ||
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iamke55
United States2806 Posts
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Saracen
United States5139 Posts
On June 27 2011 05:26 kNightLite wrote: This is example of a good thread that got closed: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=237529 The mod who closed it ended the thread with this: I posted these specifics in the thread 6 posts before the mod closed it. If the mod followed the guidelines and actually read the thread they would know that. Instead they just took one look at the OP and decided to shut down the entire discussion. Just because the OP is bad does not mean the entire thread is bad. Lord knows there's plenty of *good* OPs that need to be shut down because discussion turns sour. Its really frustrating to put in a lot of time and effort into a reply and then see the thread shut down a few minutes later just because the OP didn't dot their "i"s and cross their "t"s. It discourages discussion. I'm sure as heck not going to make a new thread on the same topic. Not only would it be redundant, I also have no clue if the mods would close it just like that one. Besides, look at some of the posts that actual pros have made on this forum: Thorzain: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=216530¤tpage=5 Whiplash: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=232753¤tpage=11 Jinro: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=225226¤tpage=2 These are *good* posts. I *want* to see posts like these here in the strategy forum. And yet, they didn't watch replays, they didn't back up their stuff with evidence, and they didn't jump through a gazillion hoops to make certain their posts were up to ridiculous guidelines. Do you *want* to alienate posts like these? Is there going to be a double standard where some posters (decided arbitrarily by mods) get leeway but others do not? I think that the recent draconian measures are stupid. You can be a pro player and write a stupid post just as easily as you could be a noob player and write a smart post. And before you give the me "STFU or GTFO" line, I know TL isn't a democracy, but that doesn't mean that authority gets to be immune to criticism. Don't blame the mod. He's just doing his job. The thread was really borderline and I personally didn't close it because I felt that a nuke discussion was good (I strongly believe nukes will be seeing more use lategame not because of the economic damage they can do, but how taxing they are on the opponent just to prevent some major damage). You seem really upset because you spent a long time writing a response in a thread that got closed. Why not remake the discussion, but with a better OP? Or just not post in low quality threads that you think might get closed in the future (also - do you really think just because you posted in that thread, that means the entire thread as a whole wasn't bad)? Or both? There are definitely more elegant solutions than just blaming the mods. I'm sure as heck not going to make a new thread on the same topic. Not only would it be redundant, I also have no clue if the mods would close it just like that one. If you really think your post is worth reading, then you would get off your high horse to make it visible. The reasons you give are completely trivial - there's no ongoing nuke discussion, so no, it's not redundant, and if you put effort into your OP and make a convincing argument, it's not going to be closed. I'm sure you can pick out what was wrong with the OP - "hey guys, I'm in X league and I think nukes would be good lategame because they can do damage" without providing replays or analysis or referencing higher level games. It's common sense. You can't expect to talk about some "new innovative strategy/way to play" and be taken seriously without solid evidence. Even if it does get closed, just PM a mod about it and they'll get back to you. | ||
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Huggerz
Great Britain919 Posts
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KiLL_ORdeR
United States1518 Posts
On June 27 2011 05:26 kNightLite wrote: This is example of a good thread that got closed: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=237529 The mod who closed it ended the thread with this: I posted these specifics in the thread 6 posts before the mod closed it. If the mod followed the guidelines and actually read the thread they would know that. Instead they just took one look at the OP and decided to shut down the entire discussion. Just because the OP is bad does not mean the entire thread is bad. Lord knows there's plenty of *good* OPs that need to be shut down because discussion turns sour. Its really frustrating to put in a lot of time and effort into a reply and then see the thread shut down a few minutes later just because the OP didn't dot their "i"s and cross their "t"s. It discourages discussion. I'm sure as heck not going to make a new thread on the same topic. Not only would it be redundant, I also have no clue if the mods would close it just like that one. Besides, look at some of the posts that actual pros have made on this forum: Thorzain: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=216530¤tpage=5 Whiplash: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=232753¤tpage=11 Jinro: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=225226¤tpage=2 These are *good* posts. I *want* to see posts like these here in the strategy forum. And yet, they didn't watch replays, they didn't back up their stuff with evidence, and they didn't jump through a gazillion hoops to make certain their posts were up to ridiculous guidelines. Do you *want* to alienate posts like these? Is there going to be a double standard where some posters (decided arbitrarily by mods) get leeway but others do not? I think that the recent draconian measures are stupid. You can be a pro player and write a stupid post just as easily as you could be a noob player and write a smart post. And before you give the me "STFU or GTFO" line, I know TL isn't a democracy, but that doesn't mean that authority gets to be immune to criticism. Well if you are not a dumbass, the guidelines are pretty easy to follow. It is not like you have to pray to six gods, sacrifice a virgin, and sever your left arm in offering to chill. You just have to be intelligent and put a tad bit more effort in than just "ROFL This be how i pwn newbz0rs!!1 ipwnnewbzors.jpg." The reason why you need evidence is for no other reason than to show people that you do in fact know what you are talking about. The reason why notable players don't need to do this is because we all know that they know what they're talking about because of the fact that they are notable. Are you really insinuating that ThorZain and Jinro don't watch replays? They've both put more time into watching reps and playing in the past few months than you will likely play in your lifetime. Also, you're mistaken if you think that it's just as easy for a noob player to write a smart post as it is for a pro to write a dumb post. I can go write a dumb post right now, and even get myself banned if I want to. Apparently you can't write a smart post even while putting in so much supposed effort. I've personally been on TL since 2009, which granted is a relatively short period of time, but I've never once seen a thread closed or a person banned that clearly should not have been. At worst, it's borderline, and I'd rather mods close borderline threads that maybe shouldn't have been closed than let the thread live when it will most likely never garner worthwhile discussion. p.s. O.O Draconian, someone has been studying for the SATs  | ||
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Huggerz
Great Britain919 Posts
On June 27 2011 10:16 KiLL_ORdeR wrote: Well if you are not a dumbass, the guidelines are pretty easy to follow. It is not like you have to pray to six gods, sacrifice a virgin, and sever your left arm in offering to chill. You just have to be intelligent and put a tad bit more effort in than just "ROFL This be how i pwn newbz0rs!!1 ipwnnewbzors.jpg." The reason why you need evidence is for no other reason than to show people that you do in fact know what you are talking about. The reason why notable players don't need to do this is because we all know that they know what they're talking about because of the fact that they are notable. Are you really insinuating that ThorZain and Jinro don't watch replays? They've both put more time into watching reps and playing in the past few months than you will likely play in your lifetime. Also, you're mistaken if you think that it's just as easy for a noob player to write a smart post as it is for a pro to write a dumb post. I can go write a dumb post right now, and even get myself banned if I want to. Apparently you can't write a smart post even while putting in so much supposed effort. I've personally been on TL since 2009, which granted is a relatively short period of time, but I've never once seen a thread closed or a person banned that clearly should not have been. At worst, it's borderline, and I'd rather mods close borderline threads that maybe shouldn't have been closed than let the thread live when it will most likely never garner worthwhile discussion. p.s. O.O Draconian, someone has been studying for the SATs He was 'insinuating' that ThorZain / Jinro did not watch the replay in the OP of the thread they posted in, which would lead to a ban for any normal user, use your brain.... | ||
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Sm3agol
United States2055 Posts
On June 27 2011 21:10 Huggerz wrote: + Show Spoiler + On June 27 2011 10:16 KiLL_ORdeR wrote: Well if you are not a dumbass, the guidelines are pretty easy to follow. It is not like you have to pray to six gods, sacrifice a virgin, and sever your left arm in offering to chill. You just have to be intelligent and put a tad bit more effort in than just "ROFL This be how i pwn newbz0rs!!1 ipwnnewbzors.jpg." The reason why you need evidence is for no other reason than to show people that you do in fact know what you are talking about. The reason why notable players don't need to do this is because we all know that they know what they're talking about because of the fact that they are notable. Are you really insinuating that ThorZain and Jinro don't watch replays? They've both put more time into watching reps and playing in the past few months than you will likely play in your lifetime. Also, you're mistaken if you think that it's just as easy for a noob player to write a smart post as it is for a pro to write a dumb post. I can go write a dumb post right now, and even get myself banned if I want to. Apparently you can't write a smart post even while putting in so much supposed effort. I've personally been on TL since 2009, which granted is a relatively short period of time, but I've never once seen a thread closed or a person banned that clearly should not have been. At worst, it's borderline, and I'd rather mods close borderline threads that maybe shouldn't have been closed than let the thread live when it will most likely never garner worthwhile discussion. p.s. O.O Draconian, someone has been studying for the SATs He was 'insinuating' that ThorZain / Jinro did not watch the replay in the OP of the thread they posted in, which would lead to a ban for any normal user, use your brain.... Jinro/Thorzain/etc have a little more weight behind them...when you describe something and they tell you.........don't do that when X happens...ever, without watching the replay then you listen because they are clearly at the top of their game. When random "noobslayer94" posts the same thing, without watching the replay, there is no weight behind it, so they need to be much more careful in how they respond, and we want to know they did their research before spouting random nonsense. | ||
The_Templar
your Country52798 Posts
If you know exactly what your opponent will be doing, then how can you lose? Unless it's a 4 gate strategy. | ||
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IWork4Skynet
Bolivia56 Posts
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k3m4
Germany94 Posts
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Alejandrisha
United States6566 Posts
On July 01 2011 01:32 k3m4 wrote: It would be helpful for everyone who reads this thread if it wouldn't be written in such an aggressive and excessive language. It's written that way because the standards for strategy threads are very high. If you can't comply with every single bullet point nobody is going to take away anything useful from your contribution. I could sit here and say, yeah everything everyone says can be useful in some way. But that's not the case. | ||
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kern
Canada54 Posts
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Yurie
12182 Posts
On June 28 2011 10:18 TheAwesomeTemplar wrote: "If your thread is about a new strategy and you do not have a damn good analysis (with replays) (i.e. I think your thread is too theorycrafty), you can play against me in a BO3 with your strategy. If you lose, you will be BANNED." If you know exactly what your opponent will be doing, then how can you lose? Unless it's a 4 gate strategy. Because he isn't the best player around. A Pro posting a thread of that type could probably win even if the opponent knows it is coming. So it sets a pretty good standard, if you are good enough to win with it even if a decent opponent knows it is coming, then the thread is worthwhile even without being a good example of a thread. If somebody wants to abuse it they get banned for abusing a mod, so it works out either way. | ||
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CluEleSs_UK
United Kingdom583 Posts
On June 28 2011 10:18 TheAwesomeTemplar wrote: "If your thread is about a new strategy and you do not have a damn good analysis (with replays) (i.e. I think your thread is too theorycrafty), you can play against me in a BO3 with your strategy. If you lose, you will be BANNED." If you know exactly what your opponent will be doing, then how can you lose? Unless it's a 4 gate strategy. Because if a good strategy, it doesn't rely on not being scouted. e.g. I tell my opponent, I'm sentry expanding, he doesn't go "FUCKING YES, I'll use secret build X which owns sentry expand (inb4 roachling allin). It's a build which is sensible enough to work in nearly any game. Say my build is proxy DT/void ray/mothership/worker allin, if my opponent scouts it/does anything standard/isn't retarded, it's probably going to lose. | ||
Teoita
Italy12248 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=243767 I mean, really? | ||
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