EPT[G] TvZ Cloaked Banshee rush - Page 2
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Alexbeav
Greece56 Posts
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Staboteur
Canada1873 Posts
On April 05 2011 16:26 Alexbeav wrote: @ Staboteur thanks for the spoiler thingy, I'll edit my OP. About the not showing i'm better than my opponent, well there's always this micro thing with banshees. And I use my excess minerals for helions and expo at around the 4th batch of banshees. And it's a strategy game, most of us play for fun. I don't like short matches either, but this strategy is fun, to me, to use and currently that's what i'm looking for in the game. No worries, bro! I'm not judging, really. I've been working on a nydus roach/ling rush vT and vP that's comical straight up cheese, and makes me rofl in my pants. If I did it every single game, I'd be ashamed of myself... but there's nothing wrong with having a few cheeses up the sleeve, especially if they're responsive/situational cheeses such as yours. | ||
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imBLIND
United States2626 Posts
Most of the zergs I face are also pretty wary of actively scouting instead of "oh he walled with depots, lets get mass banelings." I wouldn't consider this very effective as a solid strategy. This could be used in a Bo7 or something, but definitely not normal gameplay. | ||
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deji
Estonia46 Posts
Also two hellions without upgrades won't actually do any damage, unless your opponent overreacts and starts making roaches. I'm sure this will work against some opponents, but 2-port cloaked banshee is an all-in, if he suspects it coming and defends it properly, the chances you can come back are minimal and would have to involve some sort of mistake by him. He can just go speedling+hydra/muta and use cheap lings to deny your expansion for a long time until you actually get enough ground units to push down your ramp, by which time his economic lead will be huge. | ||
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TheRealzz
150 Posts
On April 05 2011 15:59 Alexbeav wrote: darkzuka you're missing the point, half this build is bluffing to con the zerg into thinking you're going for tanks and deny his scouting, and the other half is HAVING cloak when you reach his base. 4 queens TOGETHER and WITH detection are a problem, but that doesnt mean I can't just ignore them and take out the expo. Foe91, yep this happens a lot. I rarely if ever stumble upon someone who doesnt rage when facing this build and losing, but hey these guys have baneling bust :D i just wanted to come up with a 'revenge tactic' and since cloaked units are my fav, I modified the 2 port banshee versus terran to work against zerg. I'll post replays later. Revenge tactic very true ? But not NEW; faced this build transition into hellion harass NOW THATS infuriating ... You just defend the bancheese and start droning up and 3-4 hellion come flying in and clean your mineral line up ... F**K Y**U xD just expressing my rage not aimed at you. BTW :D. | ||
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Exactable
Australia263 Posts
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Alexbeav
Greece56 Posts
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eu.exodus
South Africa1186 Posts
On April 05 2011 18:02 Exactable wrote: I'd say skip the cloak. Banshees are quite effective vs queens especially early game where the natural isn't connected by creep and your harass is over for the most part when spore crawlers are out any way. i agree. Since you are relying on the zerg to go for ground units ie: roach/ling/bling, why not skip the cloak, research preigniter and go harrass his natural with hellions while your banshees eat his main or keep them back at your base to kite banelings and roast lings while your bunkered marines take care of his roaches? If he manages to get an overseer out then your cloak is useless and you cant kill the it. In other words, a waste of 200gas. Also i think seeing blue flames will scare a zerg into going more roach heavy. What do you think? Replay? | ||
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AvengerAzrael
Lebanon20 Posts
1) What is the timing that you hit with 4 banshees? 2) When do you throw your CC? 3) Do you constantly make Marines and Hellions even though you're making Banshees? 4) What are the chances of coming back if the build fails? | ||
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meiloAUT
Austria41 Posts
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2_Port_Banshees_(vs._Terran) ? I would love to see a replay to see the timings on this. It seems to me like the time you attack would be really close to the time the first Mutas spawn. I also dont understand the "trick the zerg" part. Hellions (especially no reactor/blueflame Hellions) always make me think Banshees and a CC/expo makes my mutas stronger (more places to hit + less marines). How can you actually deny scouting with an Ovi, when your Marines are in a bunker? | ||
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Alexbeav
Greece56 Posts
I'll reply to AvengerAzrael when I'm home in a couple of hours and also upload replays then. Patience fellas ! :D the preigniter upgrade in lieu of the cloak is a good idea, precicely why I posted this build, so it can be improved :D will have to try it on the next no-luck zerg i meat :D (and that was an intentional spelling mistake) | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
another build in this direction would be building 4 barracks, getting 10-15 marines and throw them at your opponent including all your scvs, as zerg can only hold it with banelings those kind of builds are making zerg's lives so hard, as they are blind fifty-fifty all-ins dont get me wrong, this build isn't bad or OP, but once you play high diamond or better you will realise that it is a cross-your-fingers-that-it-is-you-who-wins-build. | ||
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Antisocialmunky
United States5913 Posts
Zerg prepares for a FE from Terran but doesn't see the CC float out at the correct timing and has to crash tech to lair to not die. | ||
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Alexbeav
Greece56 Posts
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Pokebunny
United States10654 Posts
To elaborate: Due to your lack of pressure, zergs will easily get pure drones with a few lings for scouting and a fast lair. A zerg that sees no expo and no pressure will expect either banshee or a terrible opponent, the response to both is a spore + normal 3 kwueens. (the first letter of that word is broken on my phone keyboard). I don't see how you can possibly disguise such a late banshee attack. | ||
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TchousS
26 Posts
Like some other people, I'm interested at the timing of your attack though. | ||
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Alexbeav
Greece56 Posts
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Synystyr
United States1446 Posts
On April 06 2011 01:00 Alexbeav wrote: Well I have some pretty good replays, but I dont know how to post/upload !!! should I upload to rapidshare or sth ? Use Mediafire. Quick and easy ^^ | ||
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Charon1979
Austria317 Posts
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Alexbeav
Greece56 Posts
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