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Wanted to bring up a point discussed a lot earlier in this thread.
There was some debate about how much better each league is from each other (especially the difference between top level pros and masters). I think TL attack is good to show that the difference as Cecil has stated is quite true. Not exact, but the idea is there. Putting top pros into very constraining situations, they are still able to beat (quite often) decently good players (Diamonds/Masters).
One thing that caught my mind was Huk's 80% handicap against another Master toss player. If anyone believes that their macro/micro is really good and the % gap isn't much, think again.
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Thank you....this is... wow dude. If you don't know any masters+ players who can help you and have to do everything yourself then this stuff is really usefull! (thanks from a platinum player who has 1a syndrome) :p.
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So, I am a gold zerg player. Does this mean that I can't learn one build and should instead learn just how to play reactionary? If so, doesn't that make zerg the hardest race to improve in, because you are requiring newer zerg players to use the same skills of that a master player should?
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On August 08 2011 13:10 Supert0fu wrote:
So, I am a gold zerg player. Does this mean that I can't learn one build and should instead learn just how to play reactionary? If so, doesn't that make zerg the hardest race to improve in, because you are requiring newer zerg players to use the same skills of that a master player should?
You can have a reactionary build. It isn't necessarily harder or easier to learn, it's just that you have to play often times play differently than the other two races.
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This is a great thread! Ty
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This is fantastic, I'm really looking forward to pushing my way to masters :D
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Hey, Cecil, thank you very much for the guide. I really appreciate your taking the time to write it all down, put in shape, share a PDF handbook for free. I'm going to print it and hope it will help me during those lonely hours I'll be stealing from finishing my overdue Ph.D. paper (yeah, I'm old). When that's done, I'm gonna lock myself in for a full week of only doing SC2 ladder and see where it takes me.
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Ty very much for this ;~)
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On September 04 2011 19:12 buncool wrote:
Any update ?
I have one being written, not sure when I'll release it. Sometime soon I believe.
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I've been using this guide for a long time and it is an invaluable resource. Just wanted to say thanks for the hard work and sharing all of this knowledge with the community.
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On April 03 2011 13:55 WriterLee wrote:
Starcraft 2 is gay as shit anyway. Play a real game like BLOPS.
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Saying this on a Starcraft 2 forum, or more specifically a subforum about strategy?
I think I lost 1,736 brain cells from just reading this comment and trying to justify why someone would just suck so hard at trolling.
Btw, to the OP. Definitely a good guide. Reminds me of the Brood War equivalent guide too.
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This was definitely a great read, especially when I'm at a cousin's house with no Starcraft 2 for me to play  I don't know how so many people find the time to contribute such large quantities of information. Thank you so much :D
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On September 05 2011 09:17 Saint131 wrote:This was definitely a great read, especially when I'm at a cousin's house with no Starcraft 2 for me to play I don't know how so many people find the time to contribute such large quantities of information. Thank you so much :D
It's called "project limbo" 
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On September 05 2011 10:13 CecilSunkure wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2011 09:17 Saint131 wrote:This was definitely a great read, especially when I'm at a cousin's house with no Starcraft 2 for me to play I don't know how so many people find the time to contribute such large quantities of information. Thank you so much :D It's called "project limbo"
Ummm.. I don't really know what this, "project limbo" thing is. Would you care to explain?
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Maybe telling yourself you suck works for you, but it sure as heck doesn't work for me. In the end, that's the main problem with threads about learning to get better at SCII. Everyone learns differently, remembers differently, and experiences things differently.
As for telling myself I suck... that would just make me want to stop playing. A game isn't fun if I think I suck at it. That can be an incentive to get better, but it generally doesn't work for me.
For example, I learned to juggle. I found whenever I grew frustrated while learning something new (ie, a new trick or a new medium like clubs) and started telling myself I sucked I would immediately start doing worse. It was only when I thought about what I was doing wrong in a positive manner that I could improve.
This guide may work great for some people, but with a section titled "You suck" I'm afraid it just isn't for me.
(This post was not to bash on the guide, as I think some people will greatly benefit from it. The idea of the post was to hopefully help explain that this guide may not be for everyone and perhaps give ideas for suggestions on future guides.)
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On September 05 2011 12:10 Saint131 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2011 10:13 CecilSunkure wrote:On September 05 2011 09:17 Saint131 wrote:This was definitely a great read, especially when I'm at a cousin's house with no Starcraft 2 for me to play I don't know how so many people find the time to contribute such large quantities of information. Thank you so much :D It's called "project limbo" Ummm.. I don't really know what this, "project limbo" thing is. Would you care to explain?
A state of uncertainty; an intermediate or transitional place or state.
I was being transferred from one project to another at one point in time, and thus had nothing to do at work.
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On September 05 2011 13:27 RumbleBadger wrote:
Maybe telling yourself you suck works for you, but it sure as heck doesn't work for me. In the end, that's the main problem with threads about learning to get better at SCII. Everyone learns differently, remembers differently, and experiences things differently.
As for telling myself I suck... that would just make me want to stop playing. A game isn't fun if I think I suck at it. That can be an incentive to get better, but it generally doesn't work for me.
For example, I learned to juggle. I found whenever I grew frustrated while learning something new (ie, a new trick or a new medium like clubs) and started telling myself I sucked I would immediately start doing worse. It was only when I thought about what I was doing wrong in a positive manner that I could improve.
This guide may work great for some people, but with a section titled "You suck" I'm afraid it just isn't for me.
(This post was not to bash on the guide, as I think some people will greatly benefit from it. The idea of the post was to hopefully help explain that this guide may not be for everyone and perhaps give ideas for suggestions on future guides.)
I understand, but it sounds like you're being too sensitive. The you suck portion has the intent of making it exceptionally clear that you aren't a good player, and that you have a whole lot to learn and vasts amounts of room to improve. I then detail about how once you understand the massive difference in skill between yourself and a professional, it then becomes possible to make clear on exactly what makes you so different. Then it gets really fun figuring out where and why you are weak and working towards solving them. This is important because most people that happen across my article will think to themselves that they are a much better player than they really are. You can't improve if you go around thinking this.
All in all it sounds like a choice for you to either be discouraged by understanding you can improve immensely or take initiative and work towards closing the gap with the newfound understanding of just how big the gap is. If you do decide to get discouraged, then it sounds like that's something you need to work on before you can actually improve efficiently, which in and of itself is a whole other problem.
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Hey Cecil, high plat toss here! I just want to say that this guide is awesome! I gotta thank you for this... I'm pretty sure you placed a lot of time and effort doing this for us and I really appreciate it keep up the good work man! :D
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