EPT[G] Roach/Ling/Bling: More Stable Platform for ZvT - Page 3
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Lobotomist
United States1541 Posts
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michaelhasanalias
Korea (South)1231 Posts
On March 13 2011 09:44 Lobotomist wrote: So did anyone one See the GSL Code A finals of Losira vs Supernova? Losira (Z) did this style almost exclusively, and it looked very strong. He would transition into mutas on 3 bases (iirc). I suppose it's pretty difficult for terrans to drop you if you're only on two bases, so maybe delaying mutas that long is viable? LINK haven't had a chance to watch it yet, but thanks for ruining it without a spoiler | ||
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whatthefat
United States918 Posts
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IPA
United States3206 Posts
On March 13 2011 10:40 michaelhasanalias wrote: haven't had a chance to watch it yet, but thanks for ruining it without a spoiler That was days ago. We can't keep information secret forever. If you truly cared, you would have watched by now. Quit whining. Nice post OP. | ||
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magha
Netherlands427 Posts
I'm still in doubt, being someone who always avoided roaches in ZvT since beta but it seems really strong. Very often Zergs went for the Roach Warren right after the Pool or end up throwing down both a Roach Warren and a Baneling Nest (and sometimes an Evo Chamber aswell). And then went for a very strong attack around 10-12 minutes with a lot of banelings (with speed), roaches (with speed), and speedlings. | ||
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Johnny_Vegas
United States239 Posts
Without stim, small forces of roaches vs. small forces of marines usually favor the zerg. At this early stage of the game it is quite easy to micro the wounded roaches back, and if you fight on creep the roaches are 30% faster than the marines, so it is easy to do so. A great tactic is to hide your roaches until the terran ventures far on to your creep before showing your roaches at all. Because of the speed differential on creep the marines can have a hard time retreating. [EDIT: Marines have 45 health not 40, removed previously stated thought] If the map is small, most of the time after a favorable engagement where the terran loses many marines to my roaches I'll counter attack, as a lot of the time terran tries to expand behind 2 rax pressure. I am usually able to hit before stim, and before Mauraders are out in any number. The terran defense is usually optimized to thwart zerglings, not roaches, so with range 4 I often can snipe buildings, scvs, marines. Bunkers are usually the only good defensive response the terran can make, but a lone bunker at least, can often be avoided. Before my slow roaches become useless (thanks to tanks,mauraders,stim) I will transition into something else, but I'm quick to go back to roaches if I feel the terran's unit composition warrants it. It usually doesn't hurt to keep a small number of roaches in your army, for reasons that the original @OP suggests. Spoiler for today's GSL, Zenio vs MKP + Show Spoiler + http://www.gomtv.net/2011gslsponsors3/vod/65021 MKP floated to the gold to open up the game, and went mass marine off 5 rax, mining no gas. Kyrix tried to defend his FE with speedling/baneling, but MKP's marine micro was too strong, splitting his marines perfectly, making the banes nearly useless. I think if Kyrix had went roach, with not banes, he probably could have held the initial push of marines, transitioning into banes when the marine count got higher. EDIT: When defending early marines with roaches, having the queen(s) tank a little fire makes a HUGE difference. | ||
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Sapp
Poland173 Posts
"(3) Due to their speed synergy with banelings and much larger size, roaches uncluster banelings, resulting in less vulnerability to splash damage." but that's the whole idea! I don't want banelings to be in front of my army, i want them IN the zerglings (a little behind) coz i want that fu**ed up dps of the mariners hit on the zerglings, not banelings. If i do as u say, roaches will stay at range 4 from the mariners. ;( all in all, nice topic.. worth discusing | ||
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