[D] TvP Thor/Banshee/Raven/Marine push - Page 2

This is mostly theory crafting I guess as I'm mostly on the Terran side of things, but in theory atleast it doesn't sound too bad. Like someone said earlier: the toss had mined 8k+ more resources, you should be willing to spend 500 ish on that for cannons (the forge can just upgrade +1 anyways which is always good) to give yourself a better fighting chance.

im not sure but i think that a 1 base build by the protoss could stop it, if they just camped their ramp thors/marines do pretty badly going up a ramp because they are slow and dont have the greatest range. but they would only do this if they know what you are doing and just make like 36 probes but camp out on their ramp

On March 05 2011 01:06 Dommk wrote:


I think if you have that much extra resources, you just cannon up - 5 cannons at each base should do it, and then you will out macro him. Can you post your replay?

As well, if you have an observer and you see marine/thor/banshee, just make chargelots/colossi/void ray which should counter everything (theorycraft here). Stalkers kinda sux vs this. Easiest way to test the unit comps is to use the unit tester vs similar valued army.
http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/unit-tester/


But what happens if you just camp the ramp at that point and expand? How am I going to bust down that ramp with Thor/Banshee/Raven situated perfectly waiting for you to run your army into the meat grinder, at that point wouldn't just a siege tank switch make it impossible for Protoss to leave?

On March 05 2011 01:13 drewbie.root wrote:
yea the OP didn't harass or scout at all lol, I think it would be best to make the raven before the banshee and deny any scouting and just camp out in your base.

Dommk if the terran does that then he will have 25 scvs vs 36ish for P and even though I guess he could switch to tanks it would be really slow though, the protoss could have like 2-3 colossus out when the push comes and just micro them from up his ramp

On March 05 2011 01:46 Synystyr wrote:
I play this style very heavily in TvP and have yielded amazing results...I honestly believe that the only way to play against Protoss lategame is with air. As someone posted earlier, I have a thread detailing a more macro focused version of this build.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=172190

I like fast expanding first and then macroing. It's not so all in, and your and push only comes a little later, but it's so much more powerful AND you can take a third and transition easily out of it into BCs.

What I think you could do differently with this style is:

Thor + Raven before Banshee.
Continue constant SCV production.

Thor + Raven first will give you a lot more power to stop 1 base pushes and to deny scouting. If done perfectly, your opponent will make Immortals in response to your Thor, which is exactly what you want. Also, you can bank energy on your raven for 2 PDDs later when you engage.

Don't cut SCVs. You need something to fall back on in case your push gets stomped. You'll want to expand as you attack and with constant SCV production, you'll at least be able to saturate your nat.

For those wondering how to stop it..

Since this is a 1 base push, your best bet is to try and get as many Phoenix + Zealots out as fast as you can, as this is the ideal composition to stop it. Stalkers just don't trade very well at all with this army. Your AA must be Phoenix. Cannons will also be a huge help. YOU WANT TO DEFEND. Defenders advantage is what you really need here.

Thor/Banshee/Raven/Marine is such a powerful mid game composition...you need to scout perfectly and get the right balance of units out to stop it, otherwise you lose in an extremely 1 sided fashion...GL

On March 05 2011 00:32 drewbie.root wrote:
ok i have a couple questions about this strat.

why do you get a banshee out before a raven? i think that it would good vs dts and also if a protoss gets an observer in your base fast then they could scout the armory. I think that you had enough gas in the games that you could have gotten the raven first, also you had like 190 energy at the timing of your push so you couldnt quite throw down 2 pdds

do you cut scvs on purpose ? you seem to stop at about 6 scvs on gas + 16 scvs on minerals for minimum saturation.

it seems super allin since you have like half your opponent's scvs when you are pushing, so why dont you pull like 10~ scvs to autorepair during the fight? I don't see how you could win with a follow up push of 2 banshee 2 thor + marines if this fails since your opponent will have such a higher economy

also i liked how you don't scout at all or micro in the fights really and still win easy LOL ;D nice strat


im not sure but i think that a 1 base build by the protoss could stop it, if they just camped their ramp thors/marines do pretty badly going up a ramp because they are slow and dont have the greatest range. but they would only do this if they know what you are doing and just make like 36 probes but camp out on their ramp

On March 05 2011 01:13 drewbie.root wrote:
yea the OP didn't harass or scout at all lol, I think it would be best to make the raven before the banshee and deny any scouting and just camp out in your base.

Dommk if the terran does that then he will have 25 scvs vs 36ish for P and even though I guess he could switch to tanks it would be really slow though, the protoss could have like 2-3 colossus out when the push comes and just micro them from up his ramp

On March 05 2011 05:54 Barca wrote:
Hmmm, seems pretty powerful.

@OP: Do you think there is anyway to stop this off a 1 gate FE? Since that build comes out before the Protoss can scout your build? By 11:00 the expo should have paid for itself, I believe.