HMMM, there are some protoss players here saying that they can counter this build easily but they aren't posting replays at all. The terran players are using this build to great success and it seems that the skill required is minimal as opposed to the skill needed by the protoss player to counter this. The OP mentioned this "My reasoning for lack of scouting is...I simply don't care what the protoss is doing." which I find amazing because I am sure many Terran players don't really care what the terran is doing.

The pros such as Drewbie, how has the build work for you? Anyone?

Catchafire2000

United States227 Posts

June 11 2011 14:19 GMT

#162

If anything, I think that maybe the 4-gate is a good blind counter to this as well as early VR/3Gate warpin at Terran base similar to what incontrol tried against major in MLG 1st set
http://s3.majorleaguegaming.com/2011-columbus-starcraft2-champ.html

General_Winter

United States719 Posts

June 11 2011 18:46 GMT

#163

In customs I see a lot of mid high diamonds doing this. I don't see it much on the ladder though, so take this with some salt.

I find that if you open 3 gate robo and scout this you can just refuse to expand and keep making zealots stalkers and imortals off one base until they come down their ramp. You cant beat them in a choke, but once they move into the open zealots really wreck up the place. Particulalry with immortals to help. Have your force down and back from the ramp, watch with an observer, and just be willing to wait.

Regan123

20 Posts

June 26 2011 03:03 GMT

#164

This is an extremely powerful build at diamond level in both US and EU. Even killed a master toss with 2-3 times of my apm. And this is with major screw ups like getting supply blocked or not following the best build order and starting the attack at 12:00 - 13:00 (by which time some may get 2 collosi).
Gonna use this build until I get bored of winning toss

Cyaxis

7 Posts

June 26 2011 05:41 GMT

#165

I've actually made it from low platinum all the way to high diamond using this build. However, at this level I'm getting roflstomped even when I execute the build almost perfectly. They usually mass up large amounts of immortals by the time I attack and are able to take out my push.

Fast expands are also good against this. The attack hits pretty late and gives the toss a lot of time to build a larger force.

getpicture

141 Posts

June 28 2011 02:31 GMT

#166

I'm in low masters and i have 90% win rate so far against protoss.(61% win /loss average) I do this build too. It can be a bit weak against nexus first or 1 gate FE, but both of those greedy protoss also die to the other all in variants.

1 gate FE will die to quick marine tank (no reactored raxes)

and the other good allin is the dual port banshee+ 3 rax assuming protoss expands at late timing and gets robo.

IBTabs

New Zealand20 Posts

June 28 2011 06:15 GMT

#167

looking at your replays, you instant lose to a 4 gate and would probably lose to any sort of one base all in actually, you have such a small army in the first 8 minutes of the game.

Furthermore you dont have enough marines to hold of a zealot stalker push and your tech path could be revealed so easily.

getpicture

141 Posts

June 28 2011 08:03 GMT

#168

4 gate is pretty easy to defend with properly placed 2x bunkers and repair- one in front and other further away to stuff up the forcefields.

Diabolegal

United States110 Posts

July 03 2011 01:29 GMT

#169

On June 28 2011 15:15 IBTabs wrote:
looking at your replays, you instant lose to a 4 gate and would probably lose to any sort of one base all in actually, you have such a small army in the first 8 minutes of the game.

Furthermore you dont have enough marines to hold of a zealot stalker push and your tech path could be revealed so easily.

Wrong. Two bunkers full of marines + SCVs repairing + 1 Banshee stops 4 Gate pretty easily. Keep in mind that Warp Gate research takes longer now than it did when the OP played those games.

I'd like to know if the OP has found any new weaknesses with this build in light of the other patches/changes.

Carbonara

Singapore3 Posts

July 04 2011 16:42 GMT

#170

Hi, I am Master 1.3k protoss on sea server. This terran build is very common on the ladder nowadays and it is very difficult to beat. I have attached the replay of me beating it.

Do take note it is a blind build and I hit very early that his raven pop out after everything is dead.

Pls pardon my low APM in game

http://www.sc2rep.com/replays/(T)MarinePower_vs_(P)Carbonara_the_shattered_temple_sc2rep_com_20110704/10796

Diabolegal

United States110 Posts

July 06 2011 02:10 GMT

#171

I just played the "blsDeep" guy from one of the replays. He poked with an Observer, saw my Thors before I killed it, and made Immortals. Bringing a lot of SCVs along, therefore, would likely make this push much stronger.

Edit: I lost.

Stipulation

United States587 Posts

July 06 2011 02:36 GMT

#172

On July 05 2011 01:42 Carbonara wrote:
Hi, I am Master 1.3k protoss on sea server. This terran build is very common on the ladder nowadays and it is very difficult to beat. I have attached the replay of me beating it.

Do take note it is a blind build and I hit very early that his raven pop out after everything is dead.

Pls pardon my low APM in game

http://www.sc2rep.com/replays/(T)MarinePower_vs_(P)Carbonara_the_shattered_temple_sc2rep_com_20110704/10796

I don't understand why you uploaded this game. I can't see how a replay of a blind proxy stargate helps the discussion. What am I supposed to take away from that? This should be my new standard if I have trouble against this build?

Enigmoid

United States48 Posts

July 08 2011 21:51 GMT

#173

Based on what I've been reading and having played against this, I think favoring "instant damage" units like immortals and void rays is the way to go. They're both good against thors and decent against marines when accompanied by zealots, they balance the advantage that thors and marines have vs projectile-shooting stalkers, and their shots don't get blocked by PDD, which is big. Immortals are always going to be a better choice vs this than stalkers anyway, since they do the same or more DPS vs everything and will always take more damage when thor/banshee shots are involved. I would like to see or try an immortal/zealot(chargelot?)/void ray build. Or maybe archons, they tank well and don't get blocked by PDD either.

EDIT: Sorry, didn't check what page this was on. Hope it wasn't too old for a bump.

Jumbled

1543 Posts

July 09 2011 00:35 GMT

#174

On July 09 2011 06:51 Enigmoid wrote:
EDIT: Sorry, didn't check what page this was on. Hope it wasn't too old for a bump.

The last post was only 3 days before yours. Besides, if a strategy is still in use then there's absolutely nothing wrong with posting in its thread, even if it's been around for a while.

Harmonized

57 Posts

July 24 2011 01:21 GMT

#175

Im thinking a rly lean build will be the way to go if u fast expanded, as to take advantage of the "unleaness" of this build.

Like as soon as you scout this you go 6/7 gate zealot(charge)/archon
This is theorycrafting though so keep that in mind.
But honestly that seems like the way to go.

Sry for bumb but i really have problems with this and it´s still a rly popular strategy!

Teacher74

United States47 Posts

February 21 2012 01:54 GMT

#176

I just got hit by this on the ladder. Holy crap.

Any replays of how to hold this after you 1 gate expanded? (No Blind counters)

dHsn

Brazil26 Posts

November 11 2019 05:26 GMT

#177

I was trying to watch the replays on OP but it doesn't work.
Does anyone have a recent replay or a video with this build?

`dunedain

655 Posts

November 11 2019 19:14 GMT

#178

There have been 7 years worth of updates since that time. Old replays were no longer playable after HotS.
The raven has since gone through major changes. For example, the pdd (which is an integral part of this build) has been removed from the game.
Although you can still try to do a 1/1/1 variation against protoss these days and can get substantial results, especially in the lower leagues.