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[G] Standard Play Part 1: PvZ iNcontroL Style

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iamke55
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
United States2806 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-16 16:30:26
February 19 2011 08:44 GMT
#1
Why play standard?

It is generally accepted among high level Starcraft 2 players that the best way to improve is to use the same build every game. The idea of this is the same as when people tell random players that they will improve most quickly by using the same race every game: “a jack of all trades is a master of none”. By narrowing down the possibilities of what can happen in a game, you reduce the amount of learning it takes to increase your skill level. In the time it takes you to answer the question “how should I play each of these 10 different builds against 2 rax expand?”, you could instead answer the question “how should I play my one build against 10 different builds that Terran can do?” When working on a single build at a time, you learn all the nuances of it. You know what to do vs standard play, cheesy play, etc. You know what your build is weak against, and figure out a way to scout it coming. You know exactly how to adjust your build in response to scouting, and thus eliminate its weaknesses. You have an idea of what to do at every stage of the game.

But most importantly, you will know the build so well that you don’t have to think about it when playing. And it is at this point when mechanics start to improve: as you no longer have to make decisions on the fly, your mind is free to think about making workers constantly, keeping your minerals low, avoiding supply blocks, and watching the minimap. This is how you increase your APM without spamming.

If you don’t believe me, read the following thread by Artosis: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=78677

Unfortunately, the strategy forum in its current state is not conducive for this method of practicing. A quick search for [G] reveals that almost every Protoss build order guide is either outdated or gimmicky! In the Standard Play series, I am not attempting to create anything new or get something named after myself. My goal is to give players an up-to-date, comprehensive, and standard gameplan that can be done in every game against every opponent, with explanations of why it works well enough to be standard play. These are builds where you go in the game thinking “I can win if I execute well”, not “I can win if my opponent doesn’t scout this” or “I can win if my opponent has never seen this before”. You will not have to worry about whether you need to change your build completely when you lose, because there is no hard counter.

Why EGiNcontroL’s build?


Picture, thousand words, etc...
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Are you convinced yet?

Incontrol is known to have one of the best PvZ on the planet, having beaten all of the top Zergs on the Korean ladder. In other words, you will never have to worry about reaching a level of play where this strategy no longer works.

Overview
The plan is to open up with many sentries to secure an expansion, and then pressure by constantly poking around the map to discourage or punish mass drones. Upgrades are emphasized in order to make a strong push with colossi off three bases, at which point the sentries from earlier have accumulated enough energy to always have forcefields ready when you need them. This is very much a death-ball focused strategy.

The Opening
There is no need to be especially rigid in things like 14 assimilator vs 15 assimilator, etc. We are assuming normal play here, so you have to abandon the build when scouting things like 6 pool or roach/speedling off 1 base. Assume constant probe production and chrono boost mostly on probes:
  • 9 Pylon
  • Send the pylon probe to scout
  • 13 Gateway
  • 15 Assimilator
  • 16 Pylon
  • @100% Gateway Cybernetics Core
  • @100 minerals Zealot
  • @75 minerals Assimilator
  • @100% Cybernetics Core Sentry, Warpgate
  • 22 Pylon
  • Sentry and 2 gateways when you have minerals
  • @100% gateways produce 2 or 3 sentries depending on resources/supply
  • Pylons as needed
  • @100% Warpgate convert gateaways and expand
  • @150 minerals (constant probe/pylon/sentries) Forge
  • @150 minerals (constant probe/pylon/sentries) Gateway
  • Assimilator as the nexus finishes
  • @100% Forge Photon Cannon at expo, +1 weapons
  • @8 sentries begin warping in stalkers
  • @100% Photon Cannon begin “Shark Mode”


With the scouting probe, you want to first see if they are 14 hatching, scout for any 1 base all-in, and then focus on blocking the expansion hatchery. Use your judgment to decide whether or not to build the 16 pylon to block vs 14 pool 16 hatch, or the 22 pylon to block vs speedling openings. The cannon next to the expo nexus to serve multiple purposes: detection vs burrowed roaches, defense vs roach/speedling aggression, and guarding your mineral line in case of speedling harass. The last part is what allows you to begin pressuring.

After expanding:
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Note the sentry count: your army as your expansion finishes should look something like a zealot and 8 sentries. This unit composition is the most late-game oriented way of defending your expansion from speedlings, as you build up a ton of forcefields for your future army.

3/14/2011 update: After placing the 4th gateway, put your probe a bit in front of your expo. Bring it back to your expo to place a cannon when your forge finishes, but then send it in front again. There are certain mass speedling or roach/speedling timing attacks that hit before you have any stalkers, which your probe should see. Seeing it coming before it gets to your expo gives you time to react and place the perfect force fields that you need to survive this.

If your gas is stolen, you can either switch to a 4 gate or get a few more zealots early on and take a faster 4th gas in the midgame.

Shark Mode


Once you have a few stalkers and your cannon is done, it’s time to start moving around. You want to clear out scouting lings and overlords, trying to darken the Zerg’s vision of the map. Every time you warp in another round of units though, your army should return to your base, add those to your army, and then move out again. The overall effect of this army movement is to create an atmosphere of uncertainty for the Zerg; when you challenge them for map control, they need to build units instead of drones in case they get attacked. This form of pressure is called “Shark Mode” because your army is like a shark: if you stop moving, you die. If you do not do this, the Zerg player will be free to drone and crush you with his macro. While sharking, make sure your army is always hugging a wall in case of a surprise ambush.

4/16/11 update: Always bring a probe and make a proxy pylon while sharking around. If you don't bring one, the Zerg player feels much less pressure and will make a higher drone to unit ratio.

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During this time, you should also be trying to figure out which midgame tech your opponent will focus on: muta, roach, or banelings? A general rule is that if you see many speedlings, expect muta or banelings, and expect roach otherwise. In any situation other than close ground positions, many spine crawlers also indicates muta. On close positions, they indicate a “giraffe migration” push.

Muta midgame: if you’re getting harassed by a ton of speedlings, you can guess muta and go for a 6 gate push. If you guessed wrong, you can go back to playing vs roaches since the speedlings slow him down as much as 6 gates slow you down. If you didn’t figure out that he went for muta until you made a robo already, then you can use observers to help defend vs harassment while teching to blink. Incontrol likes to get DT’s to harass and divert gas away from mutas, and then make use of the tech later when doing a huge push with blink stalkers, sentries, zealots, and archons. There are no strict timings other than starting the twilight council when you know they went muta (assuming you missed the timing to skip the robo and go 6 gate) and trying to push before the Zerg player can fully switch to roaches.

My variation – I like to research hallucination in the early game just so that I can always scout the Zerg’s tech before I build the robo. Once I see the spire or baneling nest, I make 2 more gateways for a total of 6, cut probes on 38 and stop mining from my 3rd assimilator. For the cost of hallucination research, you will always have the option to 6 gate against muta or baneling builds.


Zergling/baneling midgame: you need to turtle very hard while following the same general road map as outlined below in Roach midgame. Against this style of play you will never be able to leave your base until maxed, so just keep expanding defensively until you have the perfect death ball with colossus, archons, and blink stalkers. As long as you place any extra gateways in sim city setups somewhere, you should be pretty much immune to ground-based counter attacks so all you need to do is react to drops properly.

Roach midgame: this is the standard Zerg midgame play, so it will be the focus for the rest of this guide. The timings are mapped out well enough that we can return to the build order format. Starting from the beginning of shark mode, now assuming both constant probes and pylons:
  • Robotics Facility after a few stalkers
  • Assimilator (4th) while Robotics Facility is building
  • @100% +1 Weapons +1 Armor
  • @100% Robotics Facility Observer, Robotics Bay
  • @100% Observer Immortal
  • (Optional) @100% Immortal 2nd Immortal
  • @100% Robotics Bay Colossus (constant production from now on, always chrono boost), Extended Thermal Lance
  • 1 Colossus Nexus (make sure to place pylons and cannons for defense)
  • 5th and 6th Assimilators while Nexus is building
  • When gas permits it, Twilight Council
  • @100% Twilight Council Blink or +2 Weapons, get the other one when gas permits
  • @100% Nexus 4 Gateways and get ready to push

While all of this is happening, shark mode continues. Your army never stops moving and growing in size, except if the Zerg has a huge army moving around. In that case it’s okay to stay home and turtle behind forcefields since you know he’s not pulling ahead in drones. You warp in constant stalkers for the most part but at some point you will run low on gas so you will spend some time warping in zealots instead. Gas expenses need to be balanced around constant chrono-boosted colossus production.

Once you have 3-4 colossi, it’s time to begin pushing. This is around the time when the income from your third base kicks in.

Note – in the pre-colossus period, you need to avoid the “cut his army in half, kill the closer half” strategy that you might use against Terran. Because sentries are so easily sniped, it’s better to place forcefields so that you are never fighting more than a quarter of the roach ball, as any more than that can quickly focus down your sentries if the Zerg player is paying attention. The strategy can easily fall apart if you have to rebuild more than a couple of sentries, so the main focus should be keeping the most sentries alive rather than killing the most roaches.

The Colossus Push


With 3 bases, you have to infrastructure necessary to sustain a colossus push into Zerg territory. Your army becomes strong enough to take on the roach/hydra/corruptor force directly, so begin moving toward the nearest Zerg base. Set up proxy pylons at strategic positions so that you can always retreat behind forcefields and warp in another round of units. Blink and +2 weapons will finish shortly to further strengthen your forces.

To engage the Zerg army:
1. Make 1 or 2 guardian shields just before the battle starts.
2. Wall off the ground units with forcefields.
3. If you’re still in range of too many ground units, take a step back and continue to attack.
4. If corruptors are coming from a different angle from the ground army, pick them off with blink.
5. As soon as the Zerg begins to retreat, blink forward and try to pick off more corruptors.

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iNc likes to add a Dark Shrine as soon as gas permits it, and then send DTs to multiple different expos at once to kill drones, or all to the same expo to kill a hatchery. You’re also looking to secure a 4th base with cannons, at which point you have resources to splurge: 2nd Robotics Facility for more colossi, 2nd forge for faster 3/3 upgrades, archons for hive-proofing, Charge to sustain a push when gas is low, more warpgates… whatever you want. If you can spare the resources, the logical next step when you have archons is to get a mothership and attempt to pull off an archon toilet.

Note: making DTs is a stylistic decision iNc uses to tax the Zerg’s multitasking abilities. Making void rays is just as good for hive-proofing (and possibly imbalanced if you listen to Idra and Artosis), unless the Zerg player is going overkill on corruptors. I prefer DTs myself as they are cheaper and make it that much harder for Zerg to harass with drops or nydus.


Once you reach the point of 4-5 bases, your army is practically invincible so keep pushing and win the game!

Replays
I couldn’t find any replays of iNcontroL so here’s some of myself.
Vs roach:
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Vs muta:
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VODs
From Idra's perspective, starting at 1 hour 16 minutes: http://mrbitter.blip.tv/file/4773241/

Vs Ret:


Void ray transition:


Vs Machine:

Sources
I learned the build by watching these VODs of iNc coaching his students:
http://www.own3d.tv/video/47483/InControl_Coaches_Zomax_on_PvZ
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=182108
I also watched his stream to hear him talk through his thought processes in ladder games and another coaching session. Check it out when you have the chance!

What's next?
Part 2 will cover Colossus pushing off of 2 Gate Robo in PvT.
During practice session, I discovered very good build against zerg. -Bisu[Shield]
CaM27
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Belgium392 Posts
February 19 2011 09:17 GMT
#2
very nice thread, thank you
Arcanefrost
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium1257 Posts
February 19 2011 09:18 GMT
#3
Excellent guide. 1small mistake: incontrol gets the 4th gate before the forge
Valor is a poor substitute for numbers.
RGSkySen
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1 Post
Last Edited: 2011-02-19 09:20:42
February 19 2011 09:20 GMT
#4
Amazing, thank you so much, my PvZ is currently awful, and I too watched his stream a couple days ago.
MuffinFTW
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States235 Posts
February 19 2011 09:22 GMT
#5
On February 19 2011 18:18 Arcanefrost wrote:
Excellent guide. 1small mistake: incontrol gets the 4th gate before the forge


Yeah, definitely excellent guide. Incontrol does get a 4th gate before forge, also you should mention getting a 4th as you push
Dommk
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia4865 Posts
February 19 2011 09:37 GMT
#6
Yeah, I don't like this Voidray/Colossus stuff, I mean I don't try go for it straight from the begeining. That and 80% of the time I get roach/ling all-in'd and lose T_T. It is pretty damn strong though, but I have been playing Standard myself Stalker/Colossus/DT/Immo/Templar. Though I do build 3 Stargates late game if things go wrong to pump out Voidrays
Maggeus
Profile Joined April 2010
France277 Posts
February 19 2011 09:41 GMT
#7
I'd like to point out some of the videos here are pre patched, so you'll see some differences (for exemple, Flux Vane disappeared). It's nothing much, if not a problem at all !

I still like your guide very, very much, and it will help a lot of players.
Macpo
Profile Joined September 2010
453 Posts
February 19 2011 09:48 GMT
#8
To make things clearer : do you mean that sharks don't get on well with giraffes?
"Courage consists, however, in agreeing to flee rather than live tranquilly and hypocritically in false refuges." G. Deleuze
Slunk
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany768 Posts
February 19 2011 09:51 GMT
#9
Thanks a lot, a very nice thread. You should just copy paste it into Liquipedia.
bleu329
Profile Joined September 2010
United States16 Posts
February 19 2011 09:54 GMT
#10
This is exactly the type of thing I have been wanting to find to improve. I want to have 1 build to use against each race, and use it every game. The problem is I haven't been able to successfully search for builds that I'm looking for on this forum or anywhere else. I have watched a few of iNcontroL's coaching vids that were posted and I was highly considering using his builds as they seemed to be what I was looking for, which is a build I can use for every game and adapt it ingame to what my opponent is doing.

I'm going to be following this guide, and I hope you will be making one for PvT and PvP as well. Thank you for putting this together.
AirbladeOrange
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2573 Posts
February 19 2011 09:57 GMT
#11
This is a great idea. Lower level players tend to always look for more gimmicky strategies or try to change their build and strategy too often depending on the map, the spawn positions, their mood, the current moon cycle, ect.

I have said this before but I believe it to be so true that I will repeat it again and again and again. The best way to improve is to use ONE build per matchup. Learn that one build until you can do it in your sleep. Play custom games vs AI, then play custom games against practice partners. Have your partners throw every single build known to mankind at you. Once you have that build down, go and learn the build of another matchup. Rinse and repeat.

Players can play at really high levels using only one build per matchup. Even if your opponent knows exactly what you are doing it shouldn't matter. Good builds are builds that are safe against many different strategies.
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-19 10:29:52
February 19 2011 10:05 GMT
#12
this is indeed the best and most effetive PvZ style, if you dont count super abusive stuff which works with very high percentage currently. Unfortunately i cant convince my teammates to play like this

I'm not so happy that probably more Ps gonan do this now, but hey
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
knyttym
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States5797 Posts
February 19 2011 10:06 GMT
#13
Nice post but a feel a little uneasy about this. It's nice that you mapped out this build but you brushed over a few important points. When providing a very standard robust build, the intricacies really make or break your game. This reminds me of the VOD series by stylish back in brood war. He was trying to teach/ explain pro builds and the driving force behind his ideas was he saw a pro do it. I feel like the same idea applies to this thread because of your sources.
I guess a few questions are in order to kind of help guide future threads.

First off, what is special about 8 sentries? Why if ever do you restart sentry production and how early? If you lose a few sentries to some early aggression, do you delay tech or just work with less sentries? How does this affect your early pressure?
Your trigger to "shark mode" is a build completion, but wouldn't it be more beneficial to base it upon some unit count? I'm guessing inc has it mapped such that his sentries have some specific amount of energy. So going back to my question about losing sentries, how would you adapt your first pushout accordingly? Just warping in sentries at a later late seems pretty weak because you don't have that energy buildup phase. It's the answering of these simple yet important questions that truly make a guide valuable.

iamke55
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
United States2806 Posts
February 19 2011 10:27 GMT
#14
Thanks for the comments guys! May your PvZ become your best matchup as it became mine.

@kNyTTyM: iNc described 8 sentries as being a magic number. When playing through the build, it feels like the most you can get away with without delaying tech, and I literally have never run out of forcefields when I needed them. That's not something I can say about my experience with 4 or even 6 sentries.

The trigger for entering shark mode should always be the completion of the photon cannon. Without it, you can't leave your mineral line unattended due to the threat of speedling harassment.

Losing sentries is something you try your hardest to avoid. You can usually get around losing a few by building your 4th assimilator earlier to compensate or warping in a few more zealots to save gas, but heavy sentry losses will severely delay your tech. So you always play defensively with forcefields when moving around.
During practice session, I discovered very good build against zerg. -Bisu[Shield]
trNimitz
Profile Joined October 2010
204 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-19 10:53:57
February 19 2011 10:52 GMT
#15
a jack of all trades is a master of none”


Keep playing like a jack of all trades, and you soon will be master of all though. Look at kiwikaki or oGsMC.

Incontrol is known to have one of the best PvZ on the planet, having beaten all of the top Zergs on the Korean ladder.


Beating people on ladder doesn't mean much at all.

Just fyi.
freetgy
Profile Joined November 2010
1720 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-19 10:59:46
February 19 2011 10:57 GMT
#16
I don't know how you guys deal with it, but i don't like this build much.
It is ok against a Macro Zerg, but it seems to fragil against aggressiv playstyle.

Especially if the Zerg engages you aggressivly, to trade his army (Zerglings,Roaches) against your Sentrys, you just can't rebuild them fast enough, while teching too high tier units.
Also the DPS early for me doesn't seem enough to deal with all-ins.

Meaning what should you do when you opponent goes mass macro mode and ignores your "shark mode", sure you could too a Timing attack, but you can be sure enough?
since he could have hiding alot of Units somewhere else for flanking.

Incontrol often emphasize it, that he doesn't really want to engage fully until colossus.
which gives imho Zerg to much room to Macro up, cause he knows you are in "shark mode" and are not gonna engage for real anyway.

This Strategy lacks aggression for a long time in my eyes. It works when the Zerg remains passive and reacts to sharkmode with building units instead of drones, but what if he doesn't?

iamke55
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
United States2806 Posts
February 19 2011 11:14 GMT
#17
First you laugh at him for being in bronze. "I see a huge army walking toward my base, so I guess now is the perfect time to build 10 drones!" In fact he wouldn't even see it walking toward his base, since he wouldn't bother scouting if his plan was to just make drones blindly.

Next you walk into their base and kill him, while making a proxy pylon just in case you miss a forcefield and his drones start killing your units.

Against early all-ins, that's what the scouting probe is for...
During practice session, I discovered very good build against zerg. -Bisu[Shield]
scCeRipH
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1 Post
February 19 2011 11:20 GMT
#18
Wow, a very well written and presented thread. Does make a nice change in the strategy forum :p

As primarily a zerg player, and secondarily a protoss player, I agree this is both a great way to improve generally and a great strategy to improve with.

P.S. iNcontrol is baller.
The announcement to announce the announcment of announcements
iamke55
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
United States2806 Posts
February 19 2011 11:23 GMT
#19
Yes he is a baller indeed! Everyone should watch his stream as he gets his 1000th win.
During practice session, I discovered very good build against zerg. -Bisu[Shield]
andrewwiggin
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia435 Posts
February 19 2011 11:52 GMT
#20
Just a question but, do you need 3 saturated bases for the heavy colossi push?

I thought two was plenty enough?
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