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Hi, first off I'm in masters with 3k
Second off, I just got battlecruiser rushed on LT and now that I think about it, this strat seems kinda overpowered.
Replay
Anyways, here's the replay.
We played on Lost Temple and I scouted his early gas and then he had some hellions coming so I thought it was gonna be a thor drop. So I researched overlord speed and drop and got some roaches and stayed on 2 base for a bit longer than I normally would.
Al of a sudden he is standing on my creep with 20 marines, 2 tanks and a fucking battlecruiser. I wanted to quit right away at that moment because there was no chance to hold that shit off.
I needed blings for the rines, either some speedlings or mutas for the tanks and corruptors for the battle cruiser, mutas wouldnt work very well cuz he brought 4-5 SCVs to repair.
But all I got left was 7 roaches with overlord drops - perfect for a freaking thor drop..
My money piled up extraordinarily high cuz i threw the game anyways.
I built a spire which takes 2 hours,1 more for the corruptors (which dont start with the corruption ability :D :D :D), so it was gg at that moment.
I really don't see how you could counter this build or how you're supposed to scout it. He will make marines one at the time and he will have enough to kill ANY overlord coming from any direction leaving me behind with a nice supply block and thats it.
The only way to stop it is to scout it and the only way to scout it is with overlord speed at hatch tech for 50/50 (which I'm talkig about for ages now but blizz doesn't know **** about this game)
I asked him after the game what the Zerg did that holded it off
"They do mass speedling with baneling bust" - aha, doesnt sound like responding to it but just doing build X. Who gets that shit with the anticipation of a thor drop anyways?
He also said his win percentage against Zerg is about 90% with that build.
Don't respond just cuz you think that shit soudns funny, you should be at least anywhere near my point range, thanks.
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lol you got Funday'd :D
freal with the scouting. Being more aggressive with overlord scouting really sucks but it seems like it's all we have left when lings cant see jack. Then, good luck
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I saw yen do this vs dhalism on LT once. It really did look about so dirty of an attack.
Was it close positions? And personally, I do think sling bling bust on LT vs a fast tech build would work. What's he going to have to stop it? Better be awesome hellion micro.
What I saw dhalism do was go light roach ,hydra heavy
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The map is terrible for Zerg players.
However if you did anticipat BC, one option would be going ling, hydra, infestors (NP upgrade asap).
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isn't counter for BC is corruptor? Can zerg get spire before terran get BC?
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Well you didn't scout, so that's something where you can improve on, until he attacked you didnt even knew if he had an expansion up. Had you had sacrified a speed overlord you would have seen that he was on one base massing an army and maybe you could have spotted the fusion core.
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All you gotta do is make a lot of queens, yes, you can actually kill BCs with them. I was fucking around against psy and proxied 2x starport near his base and made 2 bcs and he killed them with a bunch of queens (~4-5). Queen speed on creep > bc speed so you just pull them back once they get 15% hp. Also transfuse.
Queens have armor if I remember right and BC damage is already garbage after the nerf, and the fast attack speed makes armor really powerful.
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IdrA found out during GSL that queens can actually kite BCs
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On February 16 2011 07:15 whomybuddy wrote:
isn't counter for BC is corruptor? Can zerg get spire before terran get BC?
Only if you straigt tech to spire. Which you are unlikely to do unless you scout the fusion core.
I would suggest trying to get 3-4 queens and then just kiting the BC until the spire arrives.
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I anticipated thor drop, that's why I didnt scout anymore, I know when he would get his base but it kinda took him too long (mabye he screwed up?). But when you anticpate it you will get roaches which suck agaisnt marines in big numbers, tanks and BCs and overlord drops which can't attack 
I will just downveto this map, it's unstoppable cuz it looks like thor drop and requires the total opposite of counter, once you get the speed and drop you already invested too much into all that shit.
It's just a really dumb strategy..
IdrA found out during GSL that queens can actually kite BCs
Yeah I know, too bad he got rines and tnaks and SCVs to repair
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The battlecruiser rush itself obviously isn't overpowered, but the fact that Zerg has to preemptively get overlord drop and speed to counter a possible Thor rush is such a disadvantage that the map is practically broken.
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i think you were just simpley unluckey and blindley counterd a thor drop without all the infomation, it happens, these builds are kinda funckey and don't really do well vs that style just go kill them.
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Like you and others have said, scouting was the issue. Assuming anything in this game is the quickest way to lose games.
Sacking/peaking an ovie would've been worth its weight in gold.
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you could always use the spine crawler style to counter the thor drops, and then getting the extra queens only makes defending the thor that much easier! More transfuses and the ability to counter the BC, then u have all the gas and mins u usually use to get drops and roaches to get either blings or mutas!
Its very easy to defend a thor rush with spines, and with many more queens your spines should never die to a thor
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have to agree with most of the others here.. it was the scouting that failed.. sadly lost temple is a hard map due to the damn drop possibility.. though.. 100 minerals and a larva might be worth it.. just to make sure... i have learned the hard way that it can pay off to double check 
i've run into the battlecruiser rush myself some time ago.. i scouted and noticed tech lab on starport.. and i didnt have lair yet... (expoing and went baneling and shit.. feared a marine rush in the start
i expected banshee.. so i started evo chamber.. and a bucket of queens... but.. the banshees was weirdly late
notice marines.. two tanks and a BC with scv's coming...
good for me that sling/sbling loves that.. and the tanks was not even in siege.. so suddenly it was a bc vs 5 queens
short order to kill after that..
anyways.. its not overpowered.. its just hard to see coming on lost temple
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I am going to call map imbalance their. Thors drops are so strong on LT you pretty much have to prepare for it. A thor drop into BC would probably be possible on LT and only possible on LT. The obvious answer is to scout and be keen on the timings. A thor drop that doesn't hit around 8 minutes probably isn't coming, in which time muta ling/bling with harrass probably could have spotted the battle cruisers and allowed you to start thinking about expanding and going corrupters.
I feel your pain though. I strategy like that probably wouldn't work as well on close position for metrapolis or delta quadrant.
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If you scout him staying on 1 base that long (and there is NO excuse for not knowing that) without heavy pressure you know something is fishy and you need to find out what. It could be thordrop, but it should not be assumed.
Send in 2 speedlords from two diffrent angles, and if he chases one down, retreat with that one, and the other one will hopefully survive long enough to give you helpful information.
Another good way to scout is Mutas. I always make it my goal to get Mutas as soon as possible vs Terran just because they are so hard to scout. And a spire will help both vs thordrop (You need what, 4 mutas to kill a thor and with good scouting you snipe the medivac) and BCs, a 2 base ling-muta should have been enough.
Also roaches VS T is a weird choice in general. You cant just assume he is going mech, esp in close position, not based only on him helionharassing. Btw, I think it would have been better to get speedlings to take care of the helions until your mutas got up.
And I dont understand why you didnt park a overlord on his cliff. I think you should always do that on LT to get a clue on what is going on.
I think bascially you lost because you blindcountered a build you anticipated but that never came.
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Sounds like you just anticipated the wrong move. With 2 hatches and 2 queens you could've just had enough lings to overran everything he had and ignored the BC. Why didn't you scout with an overlord to be more sure?
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yeah queens are the direct conter to early bcs. So bc rush is a free win lol, well you could take workers for repair with you, so queens doesn't matter as long as a few workers are alive. About the conter when you arrive the next bc should be done and the wallin finishes it.
I would not try any early air unit against a battle cruiser unless a voidray maybe or a viking.
Anyway if a bc comes for teh rush snipe the workers and do the queen dance. And just put up 4 spines against evil thors (or simply use roaches)
edit: well its easy to kill a zerg on lt because everyone thinks you are doinga thor drop and they really overprepare for it even without scouting.
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Lair = get overlord speed, scouting is mad easy.
and yeah, nobody needs to be told corruptors and/or neural parasite takes care of BCs just fine
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i dont think that he won because the battle cruisers it sounds like he just had way more stuff than you in general. It was only 1 battle cruiser anyway. Was this off of 1 or 2 base?
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Dude, he had like NO ARMY AT ALL 3/4 of the game except 4-5-6 hellion and lost those almost all in your spine crawlers ...
A simple PUSH with 4-5 roaches and you ve had GG
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I'm not sure the timing on a BC rush, but it's totally possible to get a spire up to reasonably counter. I've run into a BC rush once: I arrived at their base with roaches reasonably early and crashed right into his 1st BC. I threw away the roaches and by the time he cleaned them up & got his BC (and a second as I recall) across the map to my position, I had built a spire & prepared corruptors. It was gg for him pretty soon after.
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okay so just watched the replay and the problem lies more in your own macro and scouting then in your opponents build.
first macro: you always had larva just sitting at your hatcheries which you could have used to drone up more or make lings to scout your opponent, and also at 10 minutes in the game with no pressure except 2 late hellions you should have had a huge food lead.
next response: your response in not getting pressured made you lazy and you could have taken your third much faster, and this also ties in with your lack of scouting.
last scouting: you only scouted his front wall which gives you no intel and if you had sacked say 2 overlords could have made more of an army as a response, but also you got your lair and the only tech you used for it was your ovie speed and drops which did no good and was a gamble choice, and had you scouted more diligently you could have had a spire for the bc and more lings/banes for his weak ground army.
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Hypothetically it's not a pure BC rush, because of the tanks
The one thing that could've saved you would be a sacrificial overlord maybe around I think it's 6-7 mins for ZvT if they're on one base?
I do believe it's very hard to blind counter, there's no real way anymore to do so in the ZvT metagame. My friend has been going hydra in ZvT recently, to decent success, and that could've saved you.
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this actually is pretty effective, however the main issue is spire builds can really give it trouble, especially if its early. corruptors reallyyyyyy make b/cs terrible, and you only need a couple mostly to up ur damage from queens/mutas.
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