[G] PvP 1-gas 2-gate robo opening - Page 13

On March 12 2011 10:03 SaJa wrote:
There is not. If he brings more zealots than stalkers you will just lose with this build, that's why you're chronoboosting your first stalker to hide your fast robo tech.
This build, just like adelscott's one, won't be effective once popular.

On March 12 2011 10:03 SaJa wrote:
There is not. If he brings more zealots than stalkers you will just lose with this build, that's why you're chronoboosting your first stalker to hide your fast robo tech.
This build, just like adelscott's one, won't be effective once popular.

On March 13 2011 07:31 Markwerf wrote:


A 4 gate will not have alot more units when they make zealots instead of stalkers. If they attack you with 6 zealots and 1 stalker instead of 6 stalkers 1 zealot it only makes it easier to stop imo. You'll have 5 zealots 1 stalker and 1 immortal on the way and stalling against zealots is actually alot easier.

Either way a 12 gate into 4 gate will always have 2 stalkers really because that's what they make before they finish warpgate. If they don't make the 2nd stalker their push will be later because a zealot is slower. Also zealots are much easier to funnel at your ramp so you can actually use that as well to your advantage..

Mass zealot attacks are only worrysome when they come from a 10 gate. 10 gates are easy to scout though and should always be countered by a normal 4 gate which demolishes 10 gates...

On March 17 2011 10:35 Dommk wrote:

You win the first fight but lose the next. You need to add more gateways asap if you see him mass zealot as a result of seing your robo. Immortal DPS to Zealot isn't great for their cost and when he is warping Zealots from 4 gateways whilst you only have 2 with Immortals coming out every 40seconds, it isn't long before you get overwhelmed

On February 09 2011 04:48 camster91 wrote:
I have been doing a 2-Gate Robo build PvP recently and is working well for me. Instead of 1 gas though I get second gas at 20 and chrono 1 Zealot, 1 Stalker and 2 Sentrys out of my first gate I make my second gate in time for Warp Gate tech. I get my robo ASAP and chrono Immortals until I push out. If they are 4-Gating I can get 3 Sentrys some gateway units and an Immortal in time. From there I will endlessly FF my ramp until they back off. If they contain me I go for Colossus tech. This works well because it I get 3 Immortals fast and can usually do a lot of damage if they expanded.

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On March 17 2011 10:57 iChau wrote:


After the the first 2 warp-ins (4 stalkers, 4 zealots), they won't be able to sustain production anymore due to not having any mineral banks (such as saving up for the 4 stalkers during warp gate research). It'll be like 1-2 zealots every while .

This means that you can constantly warp in zealots and use 3-5 probes to fight with your immortals while he really can't do anything. It's worth it because remember, the 4 gate is an all-in, so it doesn't matter if you lose a couple of probes as long as you maintained decent probe production (except slight cuts for immortals).

On March 17 2011 18:54 Dommk wrote:


Was just testing it out, providing you are losing units and not needing to build pylons. If you have 0 money when your warpgates have just started their cooldown, you can warpin 3 Zealots with your 4th being around 5seconds delayed. So yes, you can sustain constant warpins from 4gates, the 5seconds will keep building up and up, but you will have 3 gates worth of sustained warpins, even a sentry if you have the spare minerals.

The way 4gate tends to work with its micro battles, most people miss their cooldowns a bit anyway, so I'm fairly sure in a normal game you could constantly keep warpining in Zealots and eventually just overwhelm


But I guess it can come down to whoever gets the momentum early on, as long as the immortals don't die

On March 18 2011 01:12 kcdc wrote:
After a lot more testing, I don't think this build stops a 100% perfect 4 gate where they warp in their first round at your ramp. With only 1 stalker, you don't have the map control to prevent a proxy pylon at your ramp, so if your scout probe sees an idle nexus, no third pylon and 70+ saved chrono energy, I'd recommend going defensive 4 gate. Of course, the only 4 gates that this build can't stop are 100% scoutable and give you sufficient time to respond.

I consider this to be an anti-robo build that's safe against 4 gates (assuming you respond to scouting information) because it gives you immortals, which when combined with a warp prism, are awesome against colossi. It's okay against blink openings, and it's bad against stargate openings.

On March 18 2011 12:25 ManaDuVortes wrote:
The new 4gate is what used to be known as the "korean 4gate" where there is a proxy pylon by your ramp so the reinforcements can be warped directly into your base. To defensively 4gate, you need to have enough stalkers and sentries early to force field your ramp and kill proxy pylons.

On March 18 2011 12:52 bankai wrote:


Ohhh...so we are saying kcdc's build here doesnt work against korean 4gate then??

OK makes sense re: defensive 4gate. Is there a BO for this that affords enough gas for the sentries/stalkers??

On March 18 2011 12:25 ManaDuVortes wrote:
The new 4gate is what used to be known as the "korean 4gate" where there is a proxy pylon by your ramp so the reinforcements can be warped directly into your base. To defensively 4gate, you need to have enough stalkers and sentries early to force field your ramp and kill proxy pylons.

On March 18 2011 13:06 prock wrote:
Perfect 4gate may be perfect, but this build has saved PvP for lowly silvery me (refusing to 4gate in the interest of learning PvP macro) and has given me a ridiculous win record against all races since I started using it. I'm playing/beating gold every time now and feel confident this and good macro will take me to gold (plat?) before I need to start caring about my build order again. 4 gate would get me there too, but at least now I can do it with some practice with tier 2+ units.

Tyvm kcdc!

On February 09 2011 04:48 camster91 wrote:
I have been doing a 2-Gate Robo build PvP recently and is working well for me. Instead of 1 gas though I get second gas at 20 and chrono 1 Zealot, 1 Stalker and 2 Sentrys out of my first gate I make my second gate in time for Warp Gate tech. I get my robo ASAP and chrono Immortals until I push out. If they are 4-Gating I can get 3 Sentrys some gateway units and an Immortal in time. From there I will endlessly FF my ramp until they back off. If they contain me I go for Colossus tech. This works well because it I get 3 Immortals fast and can usually do a lot of damage if they expanded.

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