EPT[H] 3 roach+speedling all-in PvZ - Page 22
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Mafs
Canada458 Posts
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Skyro
United States1823 Posts
On February 03 2011 02:08 MorsCerta wrote: It was there around 5 minutes. he did not get 3 roaches first, he got 2 lings first. Hm I'm at work and can't re-check the replay. Still you should be able to confirm the all-in by being smart w/ your probe because they won't have ling speed up, and I still believe a complete wall-in with 3 stalkers + 3 more on the way should be able to hold this rush easy and cannons aren't needed. | ||
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FearTHeFrO
United States204 Posts
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Juxx
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the p00n
Netherlands615 Posts
This is very likely to be just a skill-related issue. What stopped you, in that exact game that you posted, from cancelling your 3rd sentry, chronoboosting your gateway as it is transforming into a warpgate and warping in a bunch of sentries? This is not theorycraft, you can check the replay. I can imagine you being confused or whatever in the game itself (well not really if you're 3200 and/or if he did it twice before) but really man? An extra chrono on your c-core for warpgate technology or an impromptu chrono on the gateway as it was morphing and you would have been perfectly fine, there's nothing unbeatable about this build with gateway play - in fact, this was a free win for you. I also do not believe the guy with his '99% winrate'. I'm not playing at 3.2k level (I'm slightly higher) but damn son. | ||
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FLuE
United States1012 Posts
Someone comes up with a build/idea that allows Zerg to make a strong 1 base push and everyone freaks out and then Zerg overuses it(10 pool speed ling, 5RR, 7RR), it becomes easy to identify and stop, and then we are back to where we were before. So before everyone freaks out like this will change some meta game, at the end of the day these types of builds leave Zerg so much further behind than the comparable builds of the other races(things like 4 gates, 2 rax, etc). Zerg players should farm some wins with this for the next week or two while they can. I just remember after the build order creator came out and the 7RR was developed. It was "unstoppable." People freaked out... and then you never hear much about it again. | ||
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Dommk
Australia4865 Posts
On February 03 2011 02:21 FearTHeFrO wrote: I feel like the standard 3gate expand would work fine vs this. You can have around 6 sentrys out by the time this comes, so theres no way he can get into your base. Then just build up an army and ur fine. He was doing the 3gate expand and got stomped :S, it hits before you get all your sentrys out. The problem for me is not the rush but rather Zerg just faking it and going pure eco, then you are left to blindly go cannon + forge then lose the eco war | ||
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Knutzi
Norway664 Posts
he sacrifices so much drones (it was around 24 probe vs 14 drones) doing this so you should easily be able to out macro him and i think that complete wall should hold until you get warpgates ready for the 4-5 number sentry to constantly keep ff up until you can go kill him. | ||
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Galleon.frigate
Canada721 Posts
Just by reading a few pages of this thead I can see how CRAZY hard it is for anyone to get a decent responses. The amount of bile that spews up is actually hilarious. I have really learned something from this thead, which often hard, considering how much bs has to be sifted through | ||
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Nik0
Uruguay460 Posts
On February 03 2011 02:17 Huragius wrote: First post, which is a biased zerg whine. I fucking hate you. I'm so sick of people like you. Your race isn't weak, it is you who fucking suck at this game and cries about balance to have an excuse for loses. idra/ret fucking suck at this game? but whatever, i think that the best way to deal with it is going to be getting walling with gates/pylons and make time until wg kicks in | ||
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Rosvall
Sweden122 Posts
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Entropia
France103 Posts
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ChickenLips
2912 Posts
On February 02 2011 16:09 travis wrote: the difference is zergs can stop any build with units. and im oh so sorry i offended u mr zerg. do u notice how the zerg player laughs when i say that, he didn't seem offended did he? ur not gonna see me complaining about zerg even after this, because now i know how to deal with it. what's the excuse that zergs have? becuase this is a build that you can scout 100% and defend 100% its not 'ridiculously powerful' its just bad cheese, like building your Dark Shrine at the bottom of your ramp when you DT rush. What Zergs complain about is that you cant scout for shit early game and have to account for 100 different openings, which Terran and Protoss don't. Please stop talking about PvZ balance, you're literally the only guy i know that complains about PvZ and it's getting quite ridiculous. | ||
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MegaDancer
United States25 Posts
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RandomAccount#106470
Lithuania1506 Posts
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branflakes14
2082 Posts
On February 03 2011 02:34 Rosvall wrote: What about getting one zealot two stalkers instead of sentries when you scout the warren. You can harass his lings outside your base while they don't have speed upgraded and retreat when roaches comes. Have stalkers FF roaches from behind the wall/shoot at overlord when he's not engaging. And then build zealot to reinforce the block and stalker/zealot as needed? Without the Sentries the Lings wouldn't have been outside his base to begin with, and he'd only have one Stalker out with his Zealot by the time those first Roaches hit, which isn't enough to deal with them. What I'm wondering is how well this would've done if instead of the Zealot he'd thrown down a 2nd Gateway earlier and Boosted out as many Sentries as he could from both Gateways. | ||
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ChickenLips
2912 Posts
On February 03 2011 02:45 Huragius wrote: Why the hell people keep involving pros into their unconstructive/biased whine posts ? In my eyes, you are just humiliating them by doing this. And you're humiliating yourself by randomly assaulting new posters ('I fucking hate you'). Please keep this on-topic, frankly I don't think anyone cares who you hate, you can exchange such sentiments per PM. | ||
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iamke55
United States2806 Posts
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RandomAccount#106470
Lithuania1506 Posts
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Bair
United States698 Posts
On February 03 2011 01:22 Umpteen wrote: Oh, so the evo chamber was giving you roaches at 4:48? Interesting. What other specifications did you supply, apart from the three roaches? Hopefully you see this with all the shit slinging going on in the thread, but I set the final state to 2 lings (for the denial of scouting), 1 queen, metabolic boost, 12 drones, and 3 roaches. That gave me the 3rd roach at 4:48. I tried again with 14 drones and got it at 4:50 :/ That of course was all using those specs as a final state, not using the waypoint system since it gets kind of wonky with drone count if you do individual waypoints (wonky like 9 pool double extractor trick with a warren on 11). And from what testing I have done you can transition out of this with my BO or the original BO, but not these ones the optimizer is spitting out. | ||
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