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Efemral
Profile Joined July 2010
Australia67 Posts
September 27 2012 04:37 GMT
#14181
I just know this has been asked before but I have been looking and honestly can't find it.

Can anyone suggest the best way to remove a single unit from a control group?

For example, I add eggs to a control group just after I've turned them from larvae into eggs. Sometimes I accidentally include an overlord or two in the mix. Currently I have to start from scratch on that control group.

Or I have a large group of lings and I'd like to send one of them to a xel naga tower. Currently I click on ling, send it off, wait until it's far enough away not to get autoselected when I ctrl+click my ling group for re-assigning to the control group. (Or I wait too long, forget to do it, then accidentally call my scouting ling back when I move my army and I lose vision.)

Is there some nice little trick to avoid these clumsy errors?
"A witty saying proves nothing." - Voltaire
speakerbox
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada453 Posts
September 27 2012 04:39 GMT
#14182
just switched to terran from zerg.. what builds should i do for just good standard play in the matchups? or just current builds in general?
twin anchors houseboats
Autofire2
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Pakistan290 Posts
September 27 2012 07:27 GMT
#14183
On September 27 2012 13:37 Efemral wrote:
I just know this has been asked before but I have been looking and honestly can't find it.

Can anyone suggest the best way to remove a single unit from a control group?

For example, I add eggs to a control group just after I've turned them from larvae into eggs. Sometimes I accidentally include an overlord or two in the mix. Currently I have to start from scratch on that control group.

Or I have a large group of lings and I'd like to send one of them to a xel naga tower. Currently I click on ling, send it off, wait until it's far enough away not to get autoselected when I ctrl+click my ling group for re-assigning to the control group. (Or I wait too long, forget to do it, then accidentally call my scouting ling back when I move my army and I lose vision.)

Is there some nice little trick to avoid these clumsy errors?



Shift-click. That will deselect the unit you shift-clicked on.
kinsky
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany368 Posts
September 27 2012 10:48 GMT
#14184
hihi,
quick question guys:
at the start of the game, do you guys first produce a worker or
do you split them, send them to mine and THEN produce the first worker?
thx in advance.
Autofire2
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Pakistan290 Posts
September 27 2012 11:27 GMT
#14185
Pretty sure you send them to mine and then produce the first worker. If you're below diamond, I think you can probably forget about the split as its incremental reward is fairly low.

Geiko
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France2057 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-27 11:34:03
September 27 2012 11:33 GMT
#14186
On September 27 2012 19:48 kinsky wrote:
hihi,
quick question guys:
at the start of the game, do you guys first produce a worker or
do you split them, send them to mine and THEN produce the first worker?
thx in advance.


I remember this guy did a few tests and decided that you should build worker first, then split if you are Terran or Protoss, and the opposite if you are zerg because building your worker 1 second late isn't important since it won't block your next worker.

On September 27 2012 20:27 Autofire2 wrote:
Pretty sure you send them to mine and then produce the first worker. If you're below diamond, I think you can probably forget about the split as its incremental reward is fairly low.




I'm pretty sure most people do the opposite
geiko.813 (EU)
ExO_
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States2316 Posts
September 27 2012 11:51 GMT
#14187
Guess this is the best place for this: What happened to John the translator? I've just recently started watching GSL regularly again and John isn't doing the translations anymore. What happened to him>
rd
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2586 Posts
September 27 2012 12:07 GMT
#14188
On September 27 2012 19:48 kinsky wrote:
hihi,
quick question guys:
at the start of the game, do you guys first produce a worker or
do you split them, send them to mine and THEN produce the first worker?
thx in advance.


Start worker, then send to mine. Always.
FlaminGinjaNinja
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United Kingdom879 Posts
September 27 2012 12:58 GMT
#14189
On September 27 2012 21:07 rd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2012 19:48 kinsky wrote:
hihi,
quick question guys:
at the start of the game, do you guys first produce a worker or
do you split them, send them to mine and THEN produce the first worker?
thx in advance.


Start worker, then send to mine. Always.


Unless you play Zerg in which case it's better to split first since worker production can overlap
GinjaNinja.661 EU I'd like to thank my sh*t keyyboard for always messing up my 'Y's
GWBuffalo
Profile Joined January 2011
United States234 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-27 15:36:59
September 27 2012 15:31 GMT
#14190
Does anyone else hit keys too hard? My left hand hurts after just a few hours of play because I pound the keys so hard. At the beginning of games I can consciously try to keep a light touch... but once the game gets intense in any way, this is the last thing on my mind. I just start pounding the keys hard. Is there any way to alter this habit?

I remember having a similar problem years ago when I was in school and had to write. I would always push down extremely hard when I write. I tried to force myself to keep a light touch, but I would always revert to pressing hard once I stopped thinking about it.
rd
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2586 Posts
September 27 2012 17:18 GMT
#14191
On September 28 2012 00:31 GWBuffalo wrote:
Does anyone else hit keys too hard? My left hand hurts after just a few hours of play because I pound the keys so hard. At the beginning of games I can consciously try to keep a light touch... but once the game gets intense in any way, this is the last thing on my mind. I just start pounding the keys hard. Is there any way to alter this habit?

I remember having a similar problem years ago when I was in school and had to write. I would always push down extremely hard when I write. I tried to force myself to keep a light touch, but I would always revert to pressing hard once I stopped thinking about it.


What's your arm, wrist, and palm posture in relation to the keyboard?
GWBuffalo
Profile Joined January 2011
United States234 Posts
September 27 2012 18:27 GMT
#14192
On September 28 2012 02:18 rd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2012 00:31 GWBuffalo wrote:
Does anyone else hit keys too hard? My left hand hurts after just a few hours of play because I pound the keys so hard. At the beginning of games I can consciously try to keep a light touch... but once the game gets intense in any way, this is the last thing on my mind. I just start pounding the keys hard. Is there any way to alter this habit?

I remember having a similar problem years ago when I was in school and had to write. I would always push down extremely hard when I write. I tried to force myself to keep a light touch, but I would always revert to pressing hard once I stopped thinking about it.


What's your arm, wrist, and palm posture in relation to the keyboard?



I rest on asdf with the bottom of my palm (near the wrist) resting on the desk. This is new because I'm trying different positions to see if I can find a way to stop pounding so hard and get rid of this pain. I used to have the keyboard forward, with my palm elevated and my arm resting on the meat of my forearm. I have also tried playing with and without a wrist rest.

I don't think it's so much a contortion/positioning problem as much as the fact that I just hit the keys really hard and it rattles my joints and bones. I don't know how to break the habit.
Prime Directive
Profile Joined December 2011
United States186 Posts
September 27 2012 18:35 GMT
#14193
On September 28 2012 03:27 GWBuffalo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2012 02:18 rd wrote:
On September 28 2012 00:31 GWBuffalo wrote:
Does anyone else hit keys too hard? My left hand hurts after just a few hours of play because I pound the keys so hard. At the beginning of games I can consciously try to keep a light touch... but once the game gets intense in any way, this is the last thing on my mind. I just start pounding the keys hard. Is there any way to alter this habit?

I remember having a similar problem years ago when I was in school and had to write. I would always push down extremely hard when I write. I tried to force myself to keep a light touch, but I would always revert to pressing hard once I stopped thinking about it.


What's your arm, wrist, and palm posture in relation to the keyboard?



I rest on asdf with the bottom of my palm (near the wrist) resting on the desk. This is new because I'm trying different positions to see if I can find a way to stop pounding so hard and get rid of this pain. I used to have the keyboard forward, with my palm elevated and my arm resting on the meat of my forearm. I have also tried playing with and without a wrist rest.

I don't think it's so much a contortion/positioning problem as much as the fact that I just hit the keys really hard and it rattles my joints and bones. I don't know how to break the habit.


Try getting a good wrist rest (I've linked the one I use below). Elevating your palm will definitely reduce the stress on your wrist and affect the way you type.

Wrist Rest
GWBuffalo
Profile Joined January 2011
United States234 Posts
September 27 2012 18:40 GMT
#14194
On September 28 2012 03:35 Prime Directive wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2012 03:27 GWBuffalo wrote:
On September 28 2012 02:18 rd wrote:
On September 28 2012 00:31 GWBuffalo wrote:
Does anyone else hit keys too hard? My left hand hurts after just a few hours of play because I pound the keys so hard. At the beginning of games I can consciously try to keep a light touch... but once the game gets intense in any way, this is the last thing on my mind. I just start pounding the keys hard. Is there any way to alter this habit?

I remember having a similar problem years ago when I was in school and had to write. I would always push down extremely hard when I write. I tried to force myself to keep a light touch, but I would always revert to pressing hard once I stopped thinking about it.


What's your arm, wrist, and palm posture in relation to the keyboard?



I rest on asdf with the bottom of my palm (near the wrist) resting on the desk. This is new because I'm trying different positions to see if I can find a way to stop pounding so hard and get rid of this pain. I used to have the keyboard forward, with my palm elevated and my arm resting on the meat of my forearm. I have also tried playing with and without a wrist rest.

I don't think it's so much a contortion/positioning problem as much as the fact that I just hit the keys really hard and it rattles my joints and bones. I don't know how to break the habit.


Try getting a good wrist rest (I've linked the one I use below). Elevating your palm will definitely reduce the stress on your wrist and affect the way you type.

Wrist Rest


That is the exact wrist rest I have. Unfortunately, I still get pain from hitting keys so hard, no matter what positions I've tried.
Autofire2
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Pakistan290 Posts
September 27 2012 19:43 GMT
#14195
On September 27 2012 20:33 Geiko wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2012 19:48 kinsky wrote:
hihi,
quick question guys:
at the start of the game, do you guys first produce a worker or
do you split them, send them to mine and THEN produce the first worker?
thx in advance.


I remember this guy did a few tests and decided that you should build worker first, then split if you are Terran or Protoss, and the opposite if you are zerg because building your worker 1 second late isn't important since it won't block your next worker.

Show nested quote +
On September 27 2012 20:27 Autofire2 wrote:
Pretty sure you send them to mine and then produce the first worker. If you're below diamond, I think you can probably forget about the split as its incremental reward is fairly low.




I'm pretty sure most people do the opposite


Wait seriously? I looked at some higher level replays and I thought for sure it was mine and then start worker.
rd
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2586 Posts
September 27 2012 20:32 GMT
#14196
On September 28 2012 03:27 GWBuffalo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2012 02:18 rd wrote:
On September 28 2012 00:31 GWBuffalo wrote:
Does anyone else hit keys too hard? My left hand hurts after just a few hours of play because I pound the keys so hard. At the beginning of games I can consciously try to keep a light touch... but once the game gets intense in any way, this is the last thing on my mind. I just start pounding the keys hard. Is there any way to alter this habit?

I remember having a similar problem years ago when I was in school and had to write. I would always push down extremely hard when I write. I tried to force myself to keep a light touch, but I would always revert to pressing hard once I stopped thinking about it.


What's your arm, wrist, and palm posture in relation to the keyboard?



I rest on asdf with the bottom of my palm (near the wrist) resting on the desk. This is new because I'm trying different positions to see if I can find a way to stop pounding so hard and get rid of this pain. I used to have the keyboard forward, with my palm elevated and my arm resting on the meat of my forearm. I have also tried playing with and without a wrist rest.

I don't think it's so much a contortion/positioning problem as much as the fact that I just hit the keys really hard and it rattles my joints and bones. I don't know how to break the habit.


If you remove the space required to give your fingers the force to hit so hard you might see improvement. Either try to keep your palms flat on the keyboard or raise your wrist/wrist rest more. The higher the less wind-up your fingers have to smash.
GWBuffalo
Profile Joined January 2011
United States234 Posts
September 27 2012 20:40 GMT
#14197
On September 28 2012 05:32 rd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2012 03:27 GWBuffalo wrote:
On September 28 2012 02:18 rd wrote:
On September 28 2012 00:31 GWBuffalo wrote:
Does anyone else hit keys too hard? My left hand hurts after just a few hours of play because I pound the keys so hard. At the beginning of games I can consciously try to keep a light touch... but once the game gets intense in any way, this is the last thing on my mind. I just start pounding the keys hard. Is there any way to alter this habit?

I remember having a similar problem years ago when I was in school and had to write. I would always push down extremely hard when I write. I tried to force myself to keep a light touch, but I would always revert to pressing hard once I stopped thinking about it.


What's your arm, wrist, and palm posture in relation to the keyboard?



I rest on asdf with the bottom of my palm (near the wrist) resting on the desk. This is new because I'm trying different positions to see if I can find a way to stop pounding so hard and get rid of this pain. I used to have the keyboard forward, with my palm elevated and my arm resting on the meat of my forearm. I have also tried playing with and without a wrist rest.

I don't think it's so much a contortion/positioning problem as much as the fact that I just hit the keys really hard and it rattles my joints and bones. I don't know how to break the habit.


If you remove the space required to give your fingers the force to hit so hard you might see improvement. Either try to keep your palms flat on the keyboard or raise your wrist/wrist rest more. The higher the less wind-up your fingers have to smash.


I'll experiment with that. Thanks.
GWBuffalo
Profile Joined January 2011
United States234 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-27 20:47:17
September 27 2012 20:45 GMT
#14198
On September 27 2012 13:37 Efemral wrote:
I just know this has been asked before but I have been looking and honestly can't find it.

Can anyone suggest the best way to remove a single unit from a control group?

For example, I add eggs to a control group just after I've turned them from larvae into eggs. Sometimes I accidentally include an overlord or two in the mix. Currently I have to start from scratch on that control group.

Or I have a large group of lings and I'd like to send one of them to a xel naga tower. Currently I click on ling, send it off, wait until it's far enough away not to get autoselected when I ctrl+click my ling group for re-assigning to the control group. (Or I wait too long, forget to do it, then accidentally call my scouting ling back when I move my army and I lose vision.)

Is there some nice little trick to avoid these clumsy errors?


Yeah, shift-click. I hope you haven't suffered long without it, because it is absolutely essential. So for your last example, send all your lings to the xel naga tower, hold shift, and click one of the lings in the portraits. Now re-bind (ctrl-3 for example). Every unit you had before will be in the group except the ling you shift-clicked out.

Also, this is in addition to what you want, but you can also ctrl-shift click a unit portrait to remove all units of that type. So if you have lings and banes in a ctrl group, ctrl-shift click a bane portrait, and you will be left with just lings.

Edit: You might want to check out the "1000 tips" thread. If you didn't know about shift-click, there is probably a lot more stuff in there that you will find useful.
fireforce7
Profile Joined June 2010
United States334 Posts
September 27 2012 20:52 GMT
#14199
good place for questions.
I'm terranfying
Efemral
Profile Joined July 2010
Australia67 Posts
September 27 2012 21:43 GMT
#14200
On September 28 2012 05:45 GWBuffalo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2012 13:37 Efemral wrote:
I just know this has been asked before but I have been looking and honestly can't find it.

Can anyone suggest the best way to remove a single unit from a control group?


Yeah, shift-click. I hope you haven't suffered long without it, because it is absolutely essential. So for your last example, send all your lings to the xel naga tower, hold shift, and click one of the lings in the portraits. Now re-bind (ctrl-3 for example). Every unit you had before will be in the group except the ling you shift-clicked out.

Also, this is in addition to what you want, but you can also ctrl-shift click a unit portrait to remove all units of that type. So if you have lings and banes in a ctrl group, ctrl-shift click a bane portrait, and you will be left with just lings.

Edit: You might want to check out the "1000 tips" thread. If you didn't know about shift-click, there is probably a lot more stuff in there that you will find useful.

Great answer thanks!
"A witty saying proves nothing." - Voltaire
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