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Mesha
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Bosnia-Herzegovina439 Posts
July 13 2012 14:32 GMT
#13341
Is this right:
-top masters - rank 1-8
-mid masters - rank 8-25
-low masters - rank 25-100
Since mid and low terms are so often used i just want to see what these actually refer to...
Reality hits you hard bro.
Sated
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
England4983 Posts
July 13 2012 14:37 GMT
#13342
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Fus
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1112 Posts
July 13 2012 14:39 GMT
#13343
On July 13 2012 23:32 Mesha wrote:
Is this right:
-top masters - rank 1-8
-mid masters - rank 8-25
-low masters - rank 25-100
Since mid and low terms are so often used i just want to see what these actually refer to...


Nope, a rank 1 master can be rank 25 in another division. Rank does not display your skill level. A high rank basically meens two things, you are good, or you did not quality into a master league withing the first days of the new season(thats when the master divisions are filling). The thing that displays you skill level is your points - the current bonuspool base or your points + your saved up bonus pool. top/mid/low master is not set, people use it differently. i would say low is below 75% of active master player mid is below 90% high is below 98% av top is above that.
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Fencar
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States2694 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-13 15:08:03
July 13 2012 15:06 GMT
#13344
On July 13 2012 23:02 Maxamix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2012 22:48 Fencar wrote:
On July 13 2012 22:34 Maxamix wrote:
On July 13 2012 07:55 boredrex wrote:
when making mech as Terran, how does one deal with mass roach? more specifically what unit comp


Mass roach is normally the zergs responce to mech because there is nothing that deals really effectively with roaches on the mech side.
You either have to make marauders in your army, both giving time to your siege tanks to shell them and doing a good proportion of dmg with medivacs and stim. If you really don't want to go down the bio route, you can try banshee and raven (PDD + Seeker is effective VS roach) but i rarely see that transition...
Actually, Siege Tanks in good positions with Hellions to buffer works to defend against mass Roach attacks.
You don't see Raven/Banshee defence with HSM and PDD because HSM is not very cost-effective against Roaches. It's supply effective, sure, but not cost-effective, and Banshees don't do as much DPS against Roaches as Siege Tanks or Thors, plus they take a long time to build.
If you start getting Marauders, you typically need upgrades for them to be effective as well as more production facilities to actually build them, and suddenly you're going Bio-Mech, not Mech.


I agree with most if not all what you said. Allthough the positionning on the tank is important, the original post i was referring to wanted other ways of dealing with mass roach as of units composition. If you somehow spread your tank and have some kind of buffer ( i still think unupgraded marauders will do better than BF hellions but both are viable it will work.
The idea behind the banshee was to force the zerg out of massing roaches blindly, forcing him to get hydras or something a little bit squishy that mech deal with better (hydras / mutas are well handeled by tank thors) and the said banshees(2-3) can be used to harass and snipe queens, creep tumor to slow down reinforcements, pick them off and so on...

Edit : typos
Oh yeah, of course if you're going Bio-Mech or Bio you want lots of Marauders. However when going Mech, you want to use the gas for more Siege Tanks and Thors rather than Marauders which are almost useless past the early game without upgrades when compared to Hellions, which was what I was thinking about without saying so. Silly me forgetting that there's such thing as Bio. ><

As for Banshees, they do everything you said, but when the Zerg attacks straight-on, the Roaches can simply ignore the Banshees if you don't have enough Siege Tanks and units to buffer for them and you lose a ton of SCV's and buildings as well as your ground army, similarly to how they can ignore Voidrays in PvZ.
Oh, and one time the Zerg got 5-6 Corruptors and parked them over his Roaches. Sucked for me since I was constantly building Banshees.

Edit: Also PDD doesn't affect Roach shots.
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NOOBALOPSE
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada802 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-13 15:09:37
July 13 2012 15:07 GMT
#13345
On July 13 2012 23:32 Mesha wrote:
Is this right:
-top masters - rank 1-8
-mid masters - rank 8-25
-low masters - rank 25-100
Since mid and low terms are so often used i just want to see what these actually refer to...


Nope, a rank 1 master can be rank 25 in another division. Rank does not display your skill level. A high rank basically meens two things, you are good, or you did not quality into a master league withing the first days of the new season(thats when the master divisions are filling). The thing that displays you skill level is your points - the current bonuspool base or your points + your saved up bonus pool. top/mid/low master is not set, people use it differently. i would say low is below 75% of active master player mid is below 90% high is below 98% av top is above that.


Yes, this is correct.
AmericanUmlaut
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany2597 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-13 15:41:18
July 13 2012 15:39 GMT
#13346
If you insist on using "high", "mid" or "low" to describe your rank, I really think you should be using skeldark's MRR Calculator plugin. Rank within a division is completely meaningless, and people will play like one master player and decide they're high diamond now, when there's no way to know whether the opponent had maybe lost 15 of their last 20 games and had a mid-diamond MMR as a result.

Frankly, though, I'm not sure what the value of making up subleagues within the leagues is, except for Masters. I think people just like to be able to say that they're "high platinum" because they think other posters will respect them more that way than if they're just normal platinum.

Edit: Sorry, my rant doesn't directly apply to the question, since you were asking specifically about master league. The friendly version of the answer is: Use the MMR Calculator, divide the MMR range of Masters into three parts. Those three parts are high, mid and low. Any other method is going to be fallible to a certain extent, since your MMR can vary wildly from your actual league placement if you go on a winning/losing streak.
The frumious Bandersnatch
Nightsz
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada398 Posts
July 13 2012 16:49 GMT
#13347
A while ago there was this thread where someone created a program that displayed a number of builds to pick from and would display the build order in game as you play. I can't find that thread anymore and I tried searching numerous keywords. Does anyone know the link to it?
LeanMeanMacroMachine
Profile Joined May 2012
54 Posts
July 13 2012 16:56 GMT
#13348
On July 14 2012 01:49 Nightsz wrote:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=287794
Nightsz
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada398 Posts
July 13 2012 16:59 GMT
#13349
oh sweet, much thanks to you :D
oGoZenob
Profile Joined December 2011
France1503 Posts
July 13 2012 19:13 GMT
#13350
ok little question here. I'm a diamond terran and i recently bombed my mmr down to bronze, to get motivated to play more (yeah, i know)
So my question is, how much game does it take to get your mmr back on track ? I'm curently 50-2, and still matched against low-mid-top bronze. I was fun first, but it's kinda backfiring at me ^^
I like starcraft
FlyingToilet
Profile Joined August 2011
United States840 Posts
July 14 2012 00:58 GMT
#13351
For some reason when im playing and i do shift type commands, to shift queue a building say. My keyboard will freak out after i let go and thinks im still holding down shift, i was pinging when i clicked the map to quick select a part of it, and i know its not sticky keys because it wont let me even click on my map, alt tab it was thinking i was holding down the ping key for some reason i couldnt a attack hotkey a building nothing. I had to unplug and re plug in my keyboard like 4 times in the middle of a game and then scv all in somebody using a attack in the interface before it stopped and would let me alt tab.

Its extremely irritating because it happens only when i 1v1 on random occasions, twice a month etc
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Nightsz
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada398 Posts
July 14 2012 01:50 GMT
#13352
On July 14 2012 09:58 FlyingToilet wrote:
For some reason when im playing and i do shift type commands, to shift queue a building say. My keyboard will freak out after i let go and thinks im still holding down shift, i was pinging when i clicked the map to quick select a part of it, and i know its not sticky keys because it wont let me even click on my map, alt tab it was thinking i was holding down the ping key for some reason i couldnt a attack hotkey a building nothing. I had to unplug and re plug in my keyboard like 4 times in the middle of a game and then scv all in somebody using a attack in the interface before it stopped and would let me alt tab.

Its extremely irritating because it happens only when i 1v1 on random occasions, twice a month etc


just hold alt and press tab like 5 or so times and it fixes it lol
FlyingToilet
Profile Joined August 2011
United States840 Posts
July 14 2012 02:08 GMT
#13353
On July 14 2012 10:50 Nightsz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2012 09:58 FlyingToilet wrote:
For some reason when im playing and i do shift type commands, to shift queue a building say. My keyboard will freak out after i let go and thinks im still holding down shift, i was pinging when i clicked the map to quick select a part of it, and i know its not sticky keys because it wont let me even click on my map, alt tab it was thinking i was holding down the ping key for some reason i couldnt a attack hotkey a building nothing. I had to unplug and re plug in my keyboard like 4 times in the middle of a game and then scv all in somebody using a attack in the interface before it stopped and would let me alt tab.

Its extremely irritating because it happens only when i 1v1 on random occasions, twice a month etc


just hold alt and press tab like 5 or so times and it fixes it lol

sweet :D
http://justin.tv/flyingtoilet
PinkBean
Profile Joined December 2011
Norway38 Posts
July 14 2012 02:12 GMT
#13354

Is there a possibility to check how many hours you have played Starcraft 2 in total? Like a slash command or something?
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Docta Spaceman
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States74 Posts
July 14 2012 05:48 GMT
#13355
What do you guys do when you find yourself not enjoying playing anymore? When you're struggling to find reason to work hard at improving and take losses too hard?
Mesha
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Bosnia-Herzegovina439 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-14 06:36:58
July 14 2012 06:35 GMT
#13356
On July 14 2012 14:48 Docta Spaceman wrote:
1.What do you guys do when you find yourself not enjoying playing anymore?
2.When you're struggling to find reason to work hard at improving and
3.take losses too hard?

1. I realize i am taking everything too serious and slap my self on the brain to take it easy and that i am playing a fucking game. Then i play ladder trying not give a shit about the outcome. Most often i enjoy myself best in this mood. Then i come to take things too serious soon enough...
2. I like to practice just for practice, i like to see how i get better with time. I don't have any competitive ambition in sc2 (i mean like becoming a professional ). I like to be the best i can and enjoy the game as i consider sc2 my number one hobby. If you are not chasing cometitive career then maybe you could apply the same.
3. I don't take losses too hard anymore, just because i learned with time to apply what i said above. And if i am not in the mood for playing i just don't play.
Reality hits you hard bro.
Efficient
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia32 Posts
July 14 2012 06:59 GMT
#13357
Are there any hotkey tricks involved in using medivacs? Here are two specific questions.
1. People often say "queue medivac drops". What do they mean and how do you do it?
2. Is there a quick way to load some medivacs with units, then get the medivacs with units off your main army hotkey and then onto their own hotkey?
AmericanUmlaut
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany2597 Posts
July 14 2012 08:40 GMT
#13358
On July 14 2012 15:59 Efficient wrote:
Are there any hotkey tricks involved in using medivacs? Here are two specific questions.
1. People often say "queue medivac drops". What do they mean and how do you do it?
2. Is there a quick way to load some medivacs with units, then get the medivacs with units off your main army hotkey and then onto their own hotkey?

1. While holding shift, give the Medivac the move command to where it should drop, then give it the drop command. You can do this to set up a drop in a mineral line while you're attacking: You can give the main attack all your focus, because all the commands are queued in advance, but your opponent has to respond to both attacks at the same time or take horrible economic damage.

2. No, you have to rebind your army hotkey and bind the medivacs to their own hotkey. Medivac drops are ridiculously powerful, though, so this is a small price to pay.
The frumious Bandersnatch
OneBaseKing
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Afghanistan412 Posts
July 14 2012 09:41 GMT
#13359
Are there any recent high-level Terran replay packs available? I've tried finding them but I am finding no use. Oh and what's the latest tournament with a a released replay pack?
Fidex
Profile Joined July 2012
Spain8 Posts
July 14 2012 10:01 GMT
#13360
If a match 15hatch/15pool ZvZ you want to do, when you have to scout to see if a push comes to you early?
If your opponent makes a pool early, as you have to react, canceling the 15hatch/15pool? Defending with drones?

thanks
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