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AmericanUmlaut
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany2599 Posts
June 21 2012 14:54 GMT
#13041
dynwar7: One of the most useful things you need to have in mind during a game is what your short, medium and long-term goals with your build are. It's good to know the optimum food and clock time at which various things happen, but like all battle plans, they never survive contact with the enemy.

For example, in PvZ my standard build is FFE -> 4-gate robo + blink -> 9:30 third -> attack with 3 Colossus. I theoretically have a build that takes me up to about 170 food, but I basically never execute that exact build unless I'm practicing on an empty map, due to getting pressured or seeing an opening to do some damage. But I know the unit compositions that I want to have early game, around the time I'm taking my third, and when I push. If my opponent drops an early pool, my FFE timing gets screwed up, and none of my timings will match what I practice, but I still have a flow of buildings, upgrades and unit compositions that I want to hit the way to late game.

So what is your game plan? What do you want your army to roughly look at at 80 food? At 120? At 200? If you have those milestones in mind, then even if something crazy like a Baneling bust happens, once the excitement is over (assuming you didn't win the fight so convincingly that you can just go kill your opponent), you can just get back on track.
The frumious Bandersnatch
H0verMyr
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland19 Posts
June 21 2012 15:23 GMT
#13042
Is there any possibility to promote from gold leauge to diamond leauge?
Maxamix
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada165 Posts
June 21 2012 15:26 GMT
#13043
On June 22 2012 00:23 H0verMyr wrote:
Is there any possibility to promote from gold leauge to diamond leauge?


Yes but you need a hell of a good roll (some close to 100% win rate) for a quite number of games. You would see this in the most cases if you would be winning a lot of games during the ladder lock (and by lots i mean LOTS!) but normally it's not going to happen...
AmericanUmlaut
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany2599 Posts
June 21 2012 15:47 GMT
#13044
On June 22 2012 00:26 Maxamix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2012 00:23 H0verMyr wrote:
Is there any possibility to promote from gold leauge to diamond leauge?


Yes but you need a hell of a good roll (some close to 100% win rate) for a quite number of games. You would see this in the most cases if you would be winning a lot of games during the ladder lock (and by lots i mean LOTS!) but normally it's not going to happen...

Actually, it can't happen unless the ladder is locked, even with 100% winrate. The ladder will promote you into Platinum as soon as your MMR goes above the line separating Platinum from Diamond, then it will promote you into Diamond when your MMR stabilizes inside of a Diamond offset division.
The frumious Bandersnatch
Plethora
Profile Joined July 2007
United States206 Posts
June 21 2012 18:23 GMT
#13045
For whatever its worth, I once took 2 full seasons off from playing and when I came back I was incredibly rusty and placed in Silver. As my mechanics came back to me I started winning just about all my games for awhile and went from silver to gold and then gold to platinum (which is where I had been before I stopped playing). I was in Gold for a very small amount of time, probably less time than I was in Silver. Although as I recall when I did stop winning I started losing a LOT for awhile until I stabilized, haha.
... Still like Brood War better... lol
Snoodles
Profile Joined March 2012
401 Posts
June 21 2012 18:28 GMT
#13046
On June 22 2012 00:23 H0verMyr wrote:
Is there any possibility to promote from gold leauge to diamond leauge?


If you watch those tutorial videos from apollo or filtersc, you'll see that when starting from bronze, playing at a master league skill level and rolling all their opponents, they still get promoted one league at a time.
Black_Sheep
Profile Joined May 2012
United States13 Posts
June 21 2012 22:52 GMT
#13047
On June 22 2012 03:28 Snoodles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2012 00:23 H0verMyr wrote:
Is there any possibility to promote from gold leauge to diamond leauge?


If you watch those tutorial videos from apollo or filtersc, you'll see that when starting from bronze, playing at a master league skill level and rolling all their opponents, they still get promoted one league at a time.



Well, technically you could get promoted through several leagues if you had played very few games throughout the season and then went on a massssssive winning streak on the last week of the season when leagues are locked. His MMR could go through several leagues.

but this is very very very difficult to do, hey still possible
dynwar7
Profile Joined May 2011
1983 Posts
June 22 2012 09:14 GMT
#13048
1. Is it ok to play more aggressive? If so, what is the tip to be more aggressive?

I think playing aggressive is good because it improves your mechanics too, macroing without looking at your base.

2. How do I get rid of this feeling that each time I do an early push(10-15 marines), I feel like he has more units and is going to overwhelm my army? If that is the case, I cannot run back because he has already done speed for his lings. So, the best way is to hug the wall and stay and fight? At least the zerg will have to use his larvas for zerglings instead of drones, which is the fundamental thing in xvz right? We have to keep pressuring the z so he cannot freely use larva for drones?
Regarding the imbalance, hilarious to see Zergs defending themselves....
TheExodus
Profile Joined November 2011
293 Posts
June 22 2012 12:32 GMT
#13049
On June 22 2012 18:14 dynwar7 wrote:
1. Is it ok to play more aggressive? If so, what is the tip to be more aggressive?

I think playing aggressive is good because it improves your mechanics too, macroing without looking at your base.

2. How do I get rid of this feeling that each time I do an early push(10-15 marines), I feel like he has more units and is going to overwhelm my army? If that is the case, I cannot run back because he has already done speed for his lings. So, the best way is to hug the wall and stay and fight? At least the zerg will have to use his larvas for zerglings instead of drones, which is the fundamental thing in xvz right? We have to keep pressuring the z so he cannot freely use larva for drones?


1. As a part of your gameplan, before starting, pick a time and attack without committing. If that time didn't work out, pick another one. Start at some fairly low food-count and keep raising it until you find a timing that works. You don't want to commit to an attack when you're not fairly sure you can win the engagement, but poke and poke. The important things are don't commit, and pick a time before starting and stick to it.

2. If a zerg has more units than you early game you know his economy will be crippled. Save as many marines as you can and exploit your eco advantage. The key is again not to commit to an attack. Send a single marine in first to see how many units he has, if the odds are against you, just take the watchtowers and work on your eco.
dynwar7
Profile Joined May 2011
1983 Posts
June 22 2012 14:59 GMT
#13050
I saw a youtube video about slayers.....I think they were trolling or just a misunderstanding, but ....is it true that Boxer's real son is GanZi?

What on earth....? Or were they just joking?

I am not trolling, I really want to know this.

Or perhaps they are like family, that is why they use son-father terms?
Regarding the imbalance, hilarious to see Zergs defending themselves....
AmericanUmlaut
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany2599 Posts
June 22 2012 15:15 GMT
#13051
On June 22 2012 23:59 dynwar7 wrote:
I saw a youtube video about slayers.....I think they were trolling or just a misunderstanding, but ....is it true that Boxer's real son is GanZi?

What on earth....? Or were they just joking?

I am not trolling, I really want to know this.

Or perhaps they are like family, that is why they use son-father terms?

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-korean/players/225_BoxeR
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-korean/players/160_GanZi

It's hard to prove or disprove paternity without genetic testing, but Boxer had not yet entered puberty when GanZi was born, so I'm guessing it was a metaphorical reference.
The frumious Bandersnatch
AshenCZ
Profile Joined November 2011
Czech Republic46 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-22 16:45:02
June 22 2012 16:16 GMT
#13052
Hihi, I was just wondering - Is TL TS suited for this or if anybody knows about similar channel as I am describing please let me know: I want to improve and get diamond this season and would appreciate help (not just practice partners, I know about that thread) in the form of some people watching my game and stuff... I will appreciate any help, so if you just know about some SC2 VOIP channel which I can join and see if that's what I seek, be sure to tell me ^^

EDIT
EDIT2: Just joined the Liquid TS - there's no room called TL SC2 :O Many games but no SC2? :O Whaat? :O
more gg, more skill
himurak
Profile Joined June 2012
United States1 Post
June 22 2012 20:00 GMT
#13053
How much money on average does a tournament make net?
falcoiii
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada43 Posts
June 22 2012 21:54 GMT
#13054
1. When going for an attack, I like to rally my production buildings to a "big" unit like a marauder (early), tank or thor (late). Is there a way to rally production buildings to a medivac without having them jump in the medivac? Conversely, is there a way to rally a medivac to a ground unit and have it not pick-up the ground unit?

2. I have been following filtersc's bronze to masters (1 rax FE, at 10 minutes have 50 scvs, 100 food and do a push). TvZ is my worst match-up ..seems like i run across hatch first or pool-hatch a lot and an unharrassed Zerg will have 3 bases, more food and lots of banelings at 10 minutes. What is a good, simple way to pressure earlier while keeping close to the build?

I am not a robot
AmericanUmlaut
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany2599 Posts
June 23 2012 06:09 GMT
#13055
On June 23 2012 05:00 himurak wrote:
How much money on average does a tournament make net?

1 billion ESPORTS dollars.
The frumious Bandersnatch
Lorken
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand804 Posts
June 23 2012 08:23 GMT
#13056
I was recently told, in PVP, the only thing you can do is 4gate, dt rush or 2 gate zealot rush, I know this is not necessarily true, and 99% of people go robo (I'm not a fan). PVP is the matchup I am worst at and I was wondering if this is actually all that ever works?

Most of my losses vs terran have been when I'm attacking his base, he gets 2 dropships of marine/marauder and kills my base and I try defend it with guys I warp in (but it's normally not enough), but also continue assaulting his base, and most of the time, he floats his buildings off the map and I lose. I was wondering if it would be smarter to bring my army back to defend?

Cheers guys
LOUD NOISES!!!
dynwar7
Profile Joined May 2011
1983 Posts
June 23 2012 08:28 GMT
#13057
I am looking for an answer for experienced people in TL regarding being aggressive.

I find myself waiting and turtling so bad long ago. I would wait until almost 200 then finally attack.

Now I have become better. I dont wait until 200, but I still feel I am not aggressive enough.

Surely it is good to be aggressive right? How do I get this mindset to be aggressive enough? This is especially important vs Zerg.
Regarding the imbalance, hilarious to see Zergs defending themselves....
TheExodus
Profile Joined November 2011
293 Posts
June 23 2012 08:36 GMT
#13058
On June 23 2012 17:23 Lorken wrote:
I was recently told, in PVP, the only thing you can do is 4gate, dt rush or 2 gate zealot rush, I know this is not necessarily true, and 99% of people go robo (I'm not a fan). PVP is the matchup I am worst at and I was wondering if this is actually all that ever works?

Most of my losses vs terran have been when I'm attacking his base, he gets 2 dropships of marine/marauder and kills my base and I try defend it with guys I warp in (but it's normally not enough), but also continue assaulting his base, and most of the time, he floats his buildings off the map and I lose. I was wondering if it would be smarter to bring my army back to defend?

Cheers guys


A lot of things work in PvP, it's just that those cheeses are the easiest ones to pull off. I almost never lose to any of them, so they can't be said to work.

About terran, you need to understand that you're not aiming to warp in to kill the dropped guys, you're warping in to kill the dropships before anyone actually gets dropped. Failing that, you need to be able to warp in more than one round. The key to both is map control and awareness, as you need to spot the drops before they actually get to your base.
Iyerbeth
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
England2410 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-23 09:32:54
June 23 2012 09:32 GMT
#13059
Edit: Misunderstood question.
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HeIsLegend
Profile Joined April 2012
Israel14 Posts
June 23 2012 14:17 GMT
#13060
On June 23 2012 17:28 dynwar7 wrote:
I am looking for an answer for experienced people in TL regarding being aggressive.

I find myself waiting and turtling so bad long ago. I would wait until almost 200 then finally attack.

Now I have become better. I dont wait until 200, but I still feel I am not aggressive enough.

Surely it is good to be aggressive right? How do I get this mindset to be aggressive enough? This is especially important vs Zerg.



It could be much easier answering your question knowing what race do you play..
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