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Vathus
Profile Joined October 2009
Canada404 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-07 18:41:11
June 07 2012 18:40 GMT
#12881
On June 08 2012 03:31 SolPhantSN wrote:
If I'm going to be making a new account with the goal of getting to Grandmasters or as high in Masters as possible next season, what should I do (if anything) with that account now during the ladder lock? Mass games, get it to just barely Masters MMR, don't play it at all? Just wondering what would be best for the rank/league of the account. I have plenty of accounts to play for the sake of practice in the meantime.


I'm not sure I understand what you're asking. You want to get your account as high as possible? i.e. you want to improve? Just practice/mass games on any account. The ladder lock has no effect on on your mmr which is the only thing that matters since your points and league are linked to your mmr.
SolPhantSN
Profile Joined June 2012
21 Posts
June 07 2012 19:04 GMT
#12882
On June 08 2012 03:40 Vathus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2012 03:31 SolPhantSN wrote:
If I'm going to be making a new account with the goal of getting to Grandmasters or as high in Masters as possible next season, what should I do (if anything) with that account now during the ladder lock? Mass games, get it to just barely Masters MMR, don't play it at all? Just wondering what would be best for the rank/league of the account. I have plenty of accounts to play for the sake of practice in the meantime.


I'm not sure I understand what you're asking. You want to get your account as high as possible? i.e. you want to improve? Just practice/mass games on any account. The ladder lock has no effect on on your mmr which is the only thing that matters since your points and league are linked to your mmr.


Well, I do want to improve, but I'm talking more about rank at the moment. I regularly beat top 8 masters on ladder, yet my highest ranked account in terms of points is around 30 or 40 because I don't stick to one. So, rather than needing to improve my skill level to get to top 8 masters, I think it's more that I need to play enough, and on one account.

As for what I mean about what to do with the account right now, though; it seems like it has an effect on points in a new season depending on what your MMR and league is when you start. If you get placed in Masters but just barely, you might face diamond and low masters players and get the same points for each win, compared to if you had really high MMR on the account and still got the same points for each win but had harder opponents to get there. That might apply more to rank within masters than to GM, though. I'm not sure if GM goes more by points or MMR.
Vathus
Profile Joined October 2009
Canada404 Posts
June 07 2012 20:25 GMT
#12883
On June 08 2012 04:04 SolPhantSN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2012 03:40 Vathus wrote:
On June 08 2012 03:31 SolPhantSN wrote:
If I'm going to be making a new account with the goal of getting to Grandmasters or as high in Masters as possible next season, what should I do (if anything) with that account now during the ladder lock? Mass games, get it to just barely Masters MMR, don't play it at all? Just wondering what would be best for the rank/league of the account. I have plenty of accounts to play for the sake of practice in the meantime.


I'm not sure I understand what you're asking. You want to get your account as high as possible? i.e. you want to improve? Just practice/mass games on any account. The ladder lock has no effect on on your mmr which is the only thing that matters since your points and league are linked to your mmr.


Well, I do want to improve, but I'm talking more about rank at the moment. I regularly beat top 8 masters on ladder, yet my highest ranked account in terms of points is around 30 or 40 because I don't stick to one. So, rather than needing to improve my skill level to get to top 8 masters, I think it's more that I need to play enough, and on one account.

As for what I mean about what to do with the account right now, though; it seems like it has an effect on points in a new season depending on what your MMR and league is when you start. If you get placed in Masters but just barely, you might face diamond and low masters players and get the same points for each win, compared to if you had really high MMR on the account and still got the same points for each win but had harder opponents to get there. That might apply more to rank within masters than to GM, though. I'm not sure if GM goes more by points or MMR.


At the beginning of the season everyones points are reset but your MMR carries over. So you will win for more until your points approximately reach your MMR. So if you have a higher MMR you will eventually end up at a higher # of points than someone with a lower MMR.
sM.Zik
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada2550 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-07 21:22:26
June 07 2012 21:20 GMT
#12884
On June 07 2012 22:49 eusoc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2012 22:46 EsX_Raptor wrote:
I'm in the NA ladder. Is there a way for me to play with someone in the EU ladder?


U need to buy a EU account... or wait for HotS at it should merge all servers


What? They will really merge the servers in HotS? That would be great =) !
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Frolossus
Profile Joined February 2010
United States4779 Posts
June 08 2012 00:54 GMT
#12885
not entirely sure if this can be asked here but why is the classic hotkey set up generally considered the worst one?

would changing to a different set up be worth learning hotkeys from scratch again?
Boiler Bandsman
Profile Joined February 2012
United States391 Posts
June 08 2012 01:17 GMT
#12886
On June 08 2012 09:54 Frolossus wrote:
not entirely sure if this can be asked here but why is the classic hotkey set up generally considered the worst one?

would changing to a different set up be worth learning hotkeys from scratch again?


It's considered "worst" because it's not very efficient in terms of hand motion...compared to say, grid, which has almost everything within a single hand-span of your base position. But, it's also harder to learn and keep straight since there are less mental connections if you will. For example, "attack" as "A" makes logical sense and is easy to remember.

Basically, it's worth switching if you are a fast, high-practice player (hand motion is your limiting factor and you practice plenty enough to learn it well). If you don't practice enough to learn it perfectly or aren't particularly fast, it's not worth it, because remembering the somewhat less logical hotkeys takes up more time than the efficient hand movement saves.
A soft answer turneth away wrath. Once wrath is looking the other way, shoot it in the head.
SolPhantSN
Profile Joined June 2012
21 Posts
June 08 2012 01:27 GMT
#12887
On June 08 2012 05:25 Vathus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2012 04:04 SolPhantSN wrote:
On June 08 2012 03:40 Vathus wrote:
On June 08 2012 03:31 SolPhantSN wrote:
If I'm going to be making a new account with the goal of getting to Grandmasters or as high in Masters as possible next season, what should I do (if anything) with that account now during the ladder lock? Mass games, get it to just barely Masters MMR, don't play it at all? Just wondering what would be best for the rank/league of the account. I have plenty of accounts to play for the sake of practice in the meantime.


I'm not sure I understand what you're asking. You want to get your account as high as possible? i.e. you want to improve? Just practice/mass games on any account. The ladder lock has no effect on on your mmr which is the only thing that matters since your points and league are linked to your mmr.


Well, I do want to improve, but I'm talking more about rank at the moment. I regularly beat top 8 masters on ladder, yet my highest ranked account in terms of points is around 30 or 40 because I don't stick to one. So, rather than needing to improve my skill level to get to top 8 masters, I think it's more that I need to play enough, and on one account.

As for what I mean about what to do with the account right now, though; it seems like it has an effect on points in a new season depending on what your MMR and league is when you start. If you get placed in Masters but just barely, you might face diamond and low masters players and get the same points for each win, compared to if you had really high MMR on the account and still got the same points for each win but had harder opponents to get there. That might apply more to rank within masters than to GM, though. I'm not sure if GM goes more by points or MMR.


At the beginning of the season everyones points are reset but your MMR carries over. So you will win for more until your points approximately reach your MMR. So if you have a higher MMR you will eventually end up at a higher # of points than someone with a lower MMR.


Ah, never knew that points worked like that in relation to MMR. Well, I guess it won't matter too much what is done with the account at this time then. Thanks for the answers.
tuestresfat
Profile Joined December 2010
2555 Posts
June 08 2012 10:57 GMT
#12888
dumb simple question, what is the current ladder situation? Is ladder currently locked? If yes/no when will it be locked/unlocked? News on next season?
TheExodus
Profile Joined November 2011
293 Posts
June 08 2012 11:01 GMT
#12889
On June 08 2012 19:57 tuestresfat wrote:
dumb simple question, what is the current ladder situation? Is ladder currently locked? If yes/no when will it be locked/unlocked? News on next season?


Next season starts next week.
Drekos
Profile Joined September 2008
Spain12 Posts
June 08 2012 11:07 GMT
#12890
hi I`m Terran, and I have one problem. How to play against Protos?
TheExodus
Profile Joined November 2011
293 Posts
June 08 2012 11:29 GMT
#12891
On June 08 2012 20:07 Drekos wrote:
hi I`m Terran, and I have one problem. How to play against Protos?


Just go kill him.
Deleuze
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United Kingdom2102 Posts
June 08 2012 11:37 GMT
#12892
On June 08 2012 20:07 Drekos wrote:
hi I`m Terran, and I have one problem. How to play against Protos?


This is not a simple question.

This thread will help:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=284255

“An image of thought called philosophy has been formed historically and it effectively stops people from thinking.” ― Gilles Deleuze, Dialogues II
HeidstroM
Profile Joined December 2010
England33 Posts
June 08 2012 12:18 GMT
#12893
whats the current meta in PvP? im trying to learn Protoss again but im totally lost in PvP and its by far my worst MU.
TheExodus
Profile Joined November 2011
293 Posts
June 08 2012 13:03 GMT
#12894
On June 08 2012 21:18 HeidstroM wrote:
whats the current meta in PvP? im trying to learn Protoss again but im totally lost in PvP and its by far my worst MU.


It hasn't changed much; not as many 4-gates, but it's still very volatile. Noone except one or two pros seems to have figured it out really.

My standard is 3-stalker rush, push with 2 immortals and if I don't kill him I get colossi and upgrades. Same old...
Deleted User 261926
Profile Joined April 2012
960 Posts
June 08 2012 16:22 GMT
#12895
Hello team liquid.
I'd like to know how to execute 10 pool against Zerg.
TheExodus
Profile Joined November 2011
293 Posts
June 08 2012 16:25 GMT
#12896
On June 09 2012 01:22 Karpfen wrote:
Hello team liquid.
I'd like to know how to execute 10 pool against Zerg.


10 pool, 10 overlord, 12,13,14 lings
Deleted User 261926
Profile Joined April 2012
960 Posts
June 08 2012 16:29 GMT
#12897
sorry, my question was a bit poor and I'd like to add some more:
1) what is the main advantage over 6 pool? Don't you make roughly the same amount of zerglings?
2) should I attack with my drones aswell? If so, how many of them?
TheExodus
Profile Joined November 2011
293 Posts
June 08 2012 17:31 GMT
#12898
On June 09 2012 01:29 Karpfen wrote:
sorry, my question was a bit poor and I'd like to add some more:
1) what is the main advantage over 6 pool? Don't you make roughly the same amount of zerglings?
2) should I attack with my drones aswell? If so, how many of them?


It's a half-assed thing, inbetween a 6-pool and a 13-pool. It's a bit more economical than a 6-pool so you're not dead if you fail to kill your opponent while still early enough to defend 6-pools and hit early nexus ffes. It's quite cheesy though and not very hard to defend if scouted, so it's not a good build for the ladder. In a boX tourney match it can be usefull for mixing stuff up though.
syn0r
Profile Joined January 2011
64 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-08 21:46:16
June 08 2012 21:45 GMT
#12899
In a ZvZ, if the creep spread from both players meets in the middle does the vision get shared, essentially showing the entire map, or is there a split where only the players creep will grant them vision?
Boiler Bandsman
Profile Joined February 2012
United States391 Posts
June 08 2012 23:26 GMT
#12900
On June 09 2012 06:45 syn0r wrote:
In a ZvZ, if the creep spread from both players meets in the middle does the vision get shared, essentially showing the entire map, or is there a split where only the players creep will grant them vision?


Vision is granted by creep tumors, not creep. That's why creep can go up cliffs without granting vision. Theoretically, you could continue tumor-ing on/onto "his" creep to get that vision, but obviously sooner or later he'll start killing your tumors.

It's also worth noting that creep only recedes at the edges, not from a tumor void in the middle of already established creep. So you can kill some of his more central tumors to deny vision without losing the creep or having to spread your own there.
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