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On April 09 2012 13:19 VoirDire wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2012 12:00 uoeahtns wrote:On April 09 2012 11:11 VoirDire wrote:On April 09 2012 06:16 uoeahtns wrote:
There has already been a lot of talk about mouse accuracy, mouse dpi, etc. and the general consensus is to use the mouse dpi that feels right/you are most accurate with. However, looking at things realistically, the higher the dpi, the faster you will be, and the lower dpi, the more precise you will be.
While there are advantages and disadvantages to both, is it possible to achieve 100% precision with, let's say, 3500 dpi? What about 5600?
I will not ask about lower dpi because it is pretty straightforward that the less you have to move the faster you will be. However, there is a limit to precision, and having a lower dpi does not make your ability to have 100% precision better; it makes achieving higher precision easier. I think that the optimum sensitivity is when you can touch all four corners of the screen while your hand is still resting on your wrist. I appreciate the input but my question on the reasonable possibility of achieving perfect (or near-perfect) mouse precision with a high dpi still remains. Say you can move your mouse in 1 inch in either direction comfortably and want to be able to move your pointer everywhere on the screen without adjusting your hand position. It would require a 2 inch wide space to move in. So, if you use 1920px horizontal resolution and want to move 1920px with 2 inches of mouse movement you'd need 1920/2 = 960 CPI mouse resolution for maximal precision on standard 6/11 sensitivity.
Again, I appreciate this, but let me say again: Is it possible to have amazing mouse precision and a high dpi without a ridiculous amount of work/practice/etc.
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On April 10 2012 05:39 uoeahtns wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2012 13:19 VoirDire wrote:On April 09 2012 12:00 uoeahtns wrote:On April 09 2012 11:11 VoirDire wrote:On April 09 2012 06:16 uoeahtns wrote:
There has already been a lot of talk about mouse accuracy, mouse dpi, etc. and the general consensus is to use the mouse dpi that feels right/you are most accurate with. However, looking at things realistically, the higher the dpi, the faster you will be, and the lower dpi, the more precise you will be.
While there are advantages and disadvantages to both, is it possible to achieve 100% precision with, let's say, 3500 dpi? What about 5600?
I will not ask about lower dpi because it is pretty straightforward that the less you have to move the faster you will be. However, there is a limit to precision, and having a lower dpi does not make your ability to have 100% precision better; it makes achieving higher precision easier. I think that the optimum sensitivity is when you can touch all four corners of the screen while your hand is still resting on your wrist. I appreciate the input but my question on the reasonable possibility of achieving perfect (or near-perfect) mouse precision with a high dpi still remains. Say you can move your mouse in 1 inch in either direction comfortably and want to be able to move your pointer everywhere on the screen without adjusting your hand position. It would require a 2 inch wide space to move in. So, if you use 1920px horizontal resolution and want to move 1920px with 2 inches of mouse movement you'd need 1920/2 = 960 CPI mouse resolution for maximal precision on standard 6/11 sensitivity. Again, I appreciate this, but let me say again: Is it possible to have amazing mouse precision and a high dpi without a ridiculous amount of work/practice/etc.
So what you're asking is "can i be accurate without practice?" The answer is no. The answer is always no.
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On April 10 2012 05:39 uoeahtns wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2012 13:19 VoirDire wrote:On April 09 2012 12:00 uoeahtns wrote:On April 09 2012 11:11 VoirDire wrote:On April 09 2012 06:16 uoeahtns wrote:
There has already been a lot of talk about mouse accuracy, mouse dpi, etc. and the general consensus is to use the mouse dpi that feels right/you are most accurate with. However, looking at things realistically, the higher the dpi, the faster you will be, and the lower dpi, the more precise you will be.
While there are advantages and disadvantages to both, is it possible to achieve 100% precision with, let's say, 3500 dpi? What about 5600?
I will not ask about lower dpi because it is pretty straightforward that the less you have to move the faster you will be. However, there is a limit to precision, and having a lower dpi does not make your ability to have 100% precision better; it makes achieving higher precision easier. I think that the optimum sensitivity is when you can touch all four corners of the screen while your hand is still resting on your wrist. I appreciate the input but my question on the reasonable possibility of achieving perfect (or near-perfect) mouse precision with a high dpi still remains. Say you can move your mouse in 1 inch in either direction comfortably and want to be able to move your pointer everywhere on the screen without adjusting your hand position. It would require a 2 inch wide space to move in. So, if you use 1920px horizontal resolution and want to move 1920px with 2 inches of mouse movement you'd need 1920/2 = 960 CPI mouse resolution for maximal precision on standard 6/11 sensitivity. Again, I appreciate this, but let me say again: Is it possible to have amazing mouse precision and a high dpi without a ridiculous amount of work/practice/etc.
Yes it is possible, assuming your definition of "high dpi" is ~3500. I know a few pro cs players play around that high granted they tend to have massive screens so that factors in. I'd assume it would take a decent amount of work/practice, enough such that if all you're playing is sc2 it's probably not worth it.
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On April 10 2012 05:39 uoeahtns wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2012 13:19 VoirDire wrote:On April 09 2012 12:00 uoeahtns wrote:On April 09 2012 11:11 VoirDire wrote:On April 09 2012 06:16 uoeahtns wrote:
There has already been a lot of talk about mouse accuracy, mouse dpi, etc. and the general consensus is to use the mouse dpi that feels right/you are most accurate with. However, looking at things realistically, the higher the dpi, the faster you will be, and the lower dpi, the more precise you will be.
While there are advantages and disadvantages to both, is it possible to achieve 100% precision with, let's say, 3500 dpi? What about 5600?
I will not ask about lower dpi because it is pretty straightforward that the less you have to move the faster you will be. However, there is a limit to precision, and having a lower dpi does not make your ability to have 100% precision better; it makes achieving higher precision easier. I think that the optimum sensitivity is when you can touch all four corners of the screen while your hand is still resting on your wrist. I appreciate the input but my question on the reasonable possibility of achieving perfect (or near-perfect) mouse precision with a high dpi still remains. Say you can move your mouse in 1 inch in either direction comfortably and want to be able to move your pointer everywhere on the screen without adjusting your hand position. It would require a 2 inch wide space to move in. So, if you use 1920px horizontal resolution and want to move 1920px with 2 inches of mouse movement you'd need 1920/2 = 960 CPI mouse resolution for maximal precision on standard 6/11 sensitivity. Again, I appreciate this, but let me say again: Is it possible to have amazing mouse precision and a high dpi without a ridiculous amount of work/practice/etc.
Really? Really??? Of course it's possible. Is it likely? Hell no. Might be more likely among Savants. YOU might be better than most at hand/eye and learning to use your mouse... maybe YOU don't need to put in the hours and hours of playtime that other people would usually need to.
Is it possible that someone who plays SC2 for one month can go out and win an MLG? Of course. Is it likely?
Really now...
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Kind of not related to SC2 gameplay, but I was just wondering why does a lot of European progamers have such flawless English? Is English really popular overseas and widely used? Excuse my ignorance please.
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On April 10 2012 06:42 K3Nyy wrote:
Kind of not related to SC2 gameplay, but I was just wondering why does a lot of European progamers have such flawless English? Is English really popular overseas and widely used? Excuse my ignorance please.
Yes! English is a very common second language that is taught in countries that do not have multiple designated languages. In fact, most other developed countries do a significantly better job than the US in teaching their students a second language that is "useful" (probably based on the terrible state of the US school system, but there's a whole thread for that). Even Canada attempts to teach French (required) until high-school, and many Canadians (even outside of Quebec) can speak conversational french. Similarly, many Europeans can speak conversational English.
Depending on what part of Europe they are from, many people opt to learn multiple languages, and they are all useful due to how geographically close the countries are, as well as how common it is to seek employment outside of your home country (Open borders and all that).
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On April 10 2012 07:06 CookieMaker wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 06:42 K3Nyy wrote:
Kind of not related to SC2 gameplay, but I was just wondering why does a lot of European progamers have such flawless English? Is English really popular overseas and widely used? Excuse my ignorance please. Yes! English is a very common second language that is taught in countries that do not have multiple designated languages. In fact, most other developed countries do a significantly better job than the US in teaching their students a second language that is "useful" (probably based on the terrible state of the US school system, but there's a whole thread for that). Even Canada attempts to teach French (required) until high-school, and many Canadians (even outside of Quebec) can speak conversational french. Similarly, many Europeans can speak conversational English. Depending on what part of Europe they are from, many people opt to learn multiple languages, and they are all useful due to how geographically close the countries are, as well as how common it is to seek employment outside of your home country (Open borders and all that).
Ahh I see. Thank you very much for your detailed answer! :D
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Hope this question is appropriate:
I play protoss and was just on ladder. I faced something I havn't in a while; 3rax with 2 of them proxy and found myself surprised that I wasn't sure exactly what to do. I scouted it at ~18 food, proceeded to cancel my cyber, throw down 2 more gates and tried to hold it by chrono boosting out zealots. Im confident this would work if I could get a perfect probe surround -- almost did.
However, I'm not sure what the preferred method of holding this is. Should I leave the cyber up and try for stalkers &/or sentry? I dont need a complex answer concerning execution, just wondering what the preferred build upon scouting this is?
Cheers,
Jethro
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Yea you shouldn't have canceled that core, instead you should have built an additional gateway. Sentries can prevent him from even getting into your base and stalkers can kite marines ad infinitum.
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On April 10 2012 07:06 CookieMaker wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 06:42 K3Nyy wrote:
Kind of not related to SC2 gameplay, but I was just wondering why does a lot of European progamers have such flawless English? Is English really popular overseas and widely used? Excuse my ignorance please. Yes! English is a very common second language that is taught in countries that do not have multiple designated languages. In fact, most other developed countries do a significantly better job than the US in teaching their students a second language that is "useful" (probably based on the terrible state of the US school system, but there's a whole thread for that). Even Canada attempts to teach French (required) until high-school, and many Canadians (even outside of Quebec) can speak conversational french. Similarly, many Europeans can speak conversational English. Depending on what part of Europe they are from, many people opt to learn multiple languages, and they are all useful due to how geographically close the countries are, as well as how common it is to seek employment outside of your home country (Open borders and all that).
I should add that in Sweden (and all nordic countries afaik) nothing is dubbed except kids movies. Most movies and TV-shows are in english (with subtitles) so everyone that watches TV are subjected to english on a daily basis.
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On April 10 2012 11:56 VoirDire wrote:
Yea you shouldn't have canceled that core, instead you should have built an additional gateway. Sentries can prevent him from even getting into your base and stalkers can kite marines ad infinitum.
Right, -- In the moment I was worried I wouldn't have them fast enough, but next time Ill try keeping the core. Thanks.
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I just switched to Terran recently and there is absolutely no documentation on TvT at all, anywhere. I have no idea what I'm doing in this matchup and I can't find any up to date (or even close) guides to TvT. Do they even exist, and if so, where?
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This is a yes or no question. Your answer doesn't necessarily have to be yes or no however.
TvT: Is the 7marine3hellion1medivac timing attack an allin? It's basically a 111 with no addons, 1or2gas (I get 1 so I can expand). Really punishes 1rax FE if you have good control. I tend to expand when I have 400 spare minerals.
Allin?
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have a quick question if anyone knows the appropriate response. a while ago i played a pvt where the terran did a double proxy. i scouted his base realised he was going proxy but he also got gas. and double tech lab with mauraders and slow.. don't have the replays though sorry.
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Are there any specialized tactics for burrowed banelings? Don't take this at face value, I don't want "You put them in commonly placed spots. Is there anything beyond that?
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On April 10 2012 13:56 Allred wrote:
have a quick question if anyone knows the appropriate response. a while ago i played a pvt where the terran did a double proxy. i scouted his base realised he was going proxy but he also got gas. and double tech lab with mauraders and slow.. don't have the replays though sorry.
Without a replay it's hard to know exactly what you're doing in the moment that you realize what's going on, but assuming you were going for a 1-gate FE, I would drop two more gates and chrono out Sentries and Zealots. Until you have enough units to hold, you'll need to pull a few Probes, which do pretty well against Marauders. As long as you can force field the ramp and kill 2-3 Marauders every time he tries to come up, you should be able to do more damage than you take.
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On April 10 2012 14:14 HighLach wrote:
Are there any specialized tactics for burrowed banelings? Don't take this at face value, I don't want "You put them in commonly placed spots. Is there anything beyond that?
First of all, always place them in pairs. Marines take 2 baneling hits to kill, so pairing up the banes is obvious. Make sure to space out the groups so that they're not caught by a single scan.
Then you can use Mutalisks (or other units) to try and bait the Marines to your Banelings. Especially Mutalisks work very well, since many Terrans will be itching to get rid of them, so they'll quickly send in the Marines if you try and poke.
Other than that, there's not much to it. Place them in good spots and make sure you have excellent minimap awareness so you can detonate them at the right time. Ideally put each landmine-group on its own control group.
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On April 10 2012 14:14 HighLach wrote:
Are there any specialized tactics for burrowed banelings? Don't take this at face value, I don't want "You put them in commonly placed spots. Is there anything beyond that?
Don't put them on creep; a good terran will always scan and clear out creep (killing your banes).
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