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TidusX.Yuna
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States239 Posts
August 12 2011 21:16 GMT
#6601
Hey guys,

I have a general question that has to do with APM. I type fairly fast, faster than most people I know. The problem is I taught myself to type. My typing motion is horrible, I use 2/3 fingers for just about everything. I've noticed when I play Starcraft that I move my index finger all the way over to press the S button. This seems like an insanely bad habit and that it will severely handicap my ability to improve. My index and middle finger are very strong and quick, but the others suffer. My Question:

Do you think I am just over-reacting, and that this will not affect my growth as much as I'm scared it will? Or do you think I should take classes to learn how to type legitimately before I continue to try and improve in Starcraft? Thanks!
Courage is the magic that turns dreams into reality!
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25560 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-12 21:21:19
August 12 2011 21:20 GMT
#6602
On August 13 2011 06:16 TidusX.Yuna wrote:
Hey guys,

I have a general question that has to do with APM. I type fairly fast, faster than most people I know. The problem is I taught myself to type. My typing motion is horrible, I use 2/3 fingers for just about everything. I've noticed when I play Starcraft that I move my index finger all the way over to press the S button. This seems like an insanely bad habit and that it will severely handicap my ability to improve. My index and middle finger are very strong and quick, but the others suffer. My Question:

Do you think I am just over-reacting, and that this will not affect my growth as much as I'm scared it will? Or do you think I should take classes to learn how to type legitimately before I continue to try and improve in Starcraft? Thanks!


I think that you should try to use all four of your fingers when using the keyboard for hitting hotkeys. There will be times when you will need to reach as far as "t" then quickly hit "s" (stim kiting comes to mind) or hit "b" then quickly hit "1" (like if you're making a broverlord or a barracks or a broid ray or something, then suddenly need to micro your army), or when you will need to quickly in succession hit "z" then hit "6" (so you can make a bunch of zerglings and also jump to your queen so you can inject) etc etc.

You don't need typing classes for this. Play a game against an AI and consciously hit every hotkey using your fingers, pinkeys, etc. Rest your pinky, ring, middle, and index finger on ASDF and only lift a finger off the key to hit another key-- which means you can't hit S with your index finger, since you can't move your ring finger which is already there.

Start off very, very slow-- it's more important that you do it right than that you do it fast. After about an hour of continuous practice, you'll be used to it. You may not be able to type, but you should know your hotkeys. Play slow games against weak AIs and tech to every unit and practice microing and using its abilities and making units and buildings using hotkeys.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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ProxyKnoxy
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2576 Posts
August 12 2011 21:23 GMT
#6603
When do I add my gateways/robo's after a forge fast expand? Or just after an expansion in general?

I always seem to float 1-2k minerals before and even after the warpgate finishes even with warping in perfectly
"Zealot try give mariners high five. Mariners not like high five and try hide and shoot zealot"
TidusX.Yuna
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States239 Posts
August 12 2011 21:35 GMT
#6604
On August 13 2011 06:20 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2011 06:16 TidusX.Yuna wrote:
Hey guys,

I have a general question that has to do with APM. I type fairly fast, faster than most people I know. The problem is I taught myself to type. My typing motion is horrible, I use 2/3 fingers for just about everything. I've noticed when I play Starcraft that I move my index finger all the way over to press the S button. This seems like an insanely bad habit and that it will severely handicap my ability to improve. My index and middle finger are very strong and quick, but the others suffer. My Question:

Do you think I am just over-reacting, and that this will not affect my growth as much as I'm scared it will? Or do you think I should take classes to learn how to type legitimately before I continue to try and improve in Starcraft? Thanks!


I think that you should try to use all four of your fingers when using the keyboard for hitting hotkeys. There will be times when you will need to reach as far as "t" then quickly hit "s" (stim kiting comes to mind) or hit "b" then quickly hit "1" (like if you're making a broverlord or a barracks or a broid ray or something, then suddenly need to micro your army), or when you will need to quickly in succession hit "z" then hit "6" (so you can make a bunch of zerglings and also jump to your queen so you can inject) etc etc.

You don't need typing classes for this. Play a game against an AI and consciously hit every hotkey using your fingers, pinkeys, etc. Rest your pinky, ring, middle, and index finger on ASDF and only lift a finger off the key to hit another key-- which means you can't hit S with your index finger, since you can't move your ring finger which is already there.

Start off very, very slow-- it's more important that you do it right than that you do it fast. After about an hour of continuous practice, you'll be used to it. You may not be able to type, but you should know your hotkeys. Play slow games against weak AIs and tech to every unit and practice microing and using its abilities and making units and buildings using hotkeys.


Thanks very much I guess I'll get off these amazing forums and go practice.
Courage is the magic that turns dreams into reality!
galtdunn
Profile Joined March 2011
United States977 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-12 22:54:16
August 12 2011 21:36 GMT
#6605
Dumb question
Currently editing items in the DotA 2 wiki. PM for questions/suggestions.
Khenra
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Netherlands885 Posts
August 12 2011 21:38 GMT
#6606
On August 13 2011 00:09 Scare_Crow wrote:
Anyone know what graphics settings the pros use? I just watched a few GSL games from ArtosisTV from the player's view, and it seems that they have a lot of things on low, but FFs are clearly visible (so texture's on medium/high?).


Visibility of Force Fields depends on your Shader settings. On low they are barely visible, from medium and up they are fine.

On streams you will see many users use low shader settings though, so I don't know.

This signature is ruining eSports.
NewtofDoom
Profile Joined March 2011
United States29 Posts
August 12 2011 21:49 GMT
#6607
On August 12 2011 07:05 Remf1 wrote:
What is 1 stable opening for PvZ, PvT, and PvP?

If you want just one safe build to practice for all your match-ups, I've been having good results with 3-gate expo in platinum. You have enough unit production to defend most early pressure and even push out onto the map. If they're doing something greedy you can really punish them. The trade off for safety is that you might find yourself a bit behind in econ or tech, but in platinum or below being diligent about your macro will outweight the small disadvantages of the build. If on the other hand you're in diamond or higher then I don't know why you would be asking this question.
Huntz
Profile Joined July 2011
164 Posts
August 12 2011 21:52 GMT
#6608
What's the correct response in PvP to a 2 gate zealot attack? Not proxy-ed but just 2 gates built in base before cyber? Can you go gate-cyber-gate or do you need to go gate-gate-cyber, or does it depend on the rush distance? Also how many zealots would you want to build/where do your chronos go?

Are you ahead or behind if he runs 2 zealots into your minerals line and kills 3-4 probes, losing the zealots?
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
August 12 2011 22:02 GMT
#6609
On August 13 2011 06:52 Huntz wrote:
What's the correct response in PvP to a 2 gate zealot attack? Not proxy-ed but just 2 gates built in base before cyber? Can you go gate-cyber-gate or do you need to go gate-gate-cyber, or does it depend on the rush distance? Also how many zealots would you want to build/where do your chronos go?

Are you ahead or behind if he runs 2 zealots into your minerals line and kills 3-4 probes, losing the zealots?


Match his gateway count; you will have the defender's advantage and take no damage.
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
Soluhwin
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1287 Posts
August 12 2011 22:33 GMT
#6610
On August 13 2011 06:36 galtdunn wrote:
Why is Nestea so good? (no troll), I just bought my first GOM season pass so i'm going to watch his games in GSL august, but are there themes in his games or certain things he just does better?
+ Show Spoiler +
(I'm reposting this from last page because it was the last post on the page and the next post didn't answer it).

He practices a lot and is a generally smart person. I'm not sure how to else one could possibly answer this, it's not like he takes some drug that makes him good or there is some hotkey trick that makes him magically win 3 GSLs.
I put the sexy in dyslexia.
kcaZyz
Profile Joined August 2011
16 Posts
August 13 2011 01:07 GMT
#6611
I'm a low level protoss, and I'm really just beginning to play, but I feel like (and I may be wrong) the best way to start is to learn 1 build and just do it well. Should I just choose one build for all 3 match ups, or 3, one for each? If just one, is there one popular build which works reasonably well against all races?
Siyth19
Profile Joined September 2010
5 Posts
August 13 2011 01:09 GMT
#6612
What's better for overpool. Pool -> overlord, or overlord -> pool?
AnxiousHippo
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia1451 Posts
August 13 2011 01:20 GMT
#6613
On August 13 2011 10:07 kcaZyz wrote:
I'm a low level protoss, and I'm really just beginning to play, but I feel like (and I may be wrong) the best way to start is to learn 1 build and just do it well. Should I just choose one build for all 3 match ups, or 3, one for each? If just one, is there one popular build which works reasonably well against all races?

I would recommend one build per matchup. A popular build is the 4 Gate, but it won't help you learn. You should generally look for expand style openings
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Protoss_Strategy#Match-ups
An apple a day keeps the Protoss away | TLHF
AnxiousHippo
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia1451 Posts
August 13 2011 01:24 GMT
#6614
On August 13 2011 10:09 Siyth19 wrote:
What's better for overpool. Pool -> overlord, or overlord -> pool?
Pool, then overlord. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Overpool
An apple a day keeps the Protoss away | TLHF
Soluhwin
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1287 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-13 01:31:47
August 13 2011 01:25 GMT
#6615
On August 13 2011 10:09 Siyth19 wrote:
What's better for overpool. Pool -> overlord, or overlord -> pool?

Overpool means overlord before pool by definition, if you didn't go overlord first then it would just be an 11pool (or 10 pool)

On August 13 2011 10:24 AnxiousHippo wrote:
Pool, then overlord. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Overpool

That article is incorrect, that's not an overpool.

Edited the page to be correct, but it should be merged/deleted because there is a separate, more detailed page for 11p18h.
I put the sexy in dyslexia.
kcaZyz
Profile Joined August 2011
16 Posts
August 13 2011 03:46 GMT
#6616
This is a little vague: I know Liquipedia is not completely up to date, but is it still a good place to go for SC2 info/builds?
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
August 13 2011 03:49 GMT
#6617
Yes. A lot of people work extremely hard to add new builds and information. If you look long enough you can find a tremendous amount of information!
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Soluhwin
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1287 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-13 03:51:38
August 13 2011 03:49 GMT
#6618
On August 13 2011 12:46 kcaZyz wrote:
This is a little vague: I know Liquipedia is not completely up to date, but is it still a good place to go for SC2 info/builds?

It's... not as refined as it should be. It lacks standard play, and every slightly good article still has holes and incompletion, at least that I've seen. I know it's a terrible excuse, but I just don't feel like I'm good enough to edit/make pages about standard play, so I'm just waiting for other people to do it before I'd refer them to there.

edit: Upon second glance, things have gotten better since I last looked. I still stand by what I said about it just feeling incomplete, but as far as a basic guideline for matchups then it is as good a source as any.
I put the sexy in dyslexia.
Haustka
Profile Joined August 2010
United States221 Posts
August 13 2011 03:51 GMT
#6619
What mouse does July Zerg use?
Power of Human Will
Soluhwin
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1287 Posts
August 13 2011 04:11 GMT
#6620
On August 13 2011 12:51 Haustka wrote:
What mouse does July Zerg use?

Didn't you open a thread for this? And I have to say that it really doesn't matter, July probably uses the mouse he uses just because that's what his team/sponsor gave him. We're gonna have to have a discussion about what it takes to be good if you think equipment matters that much...
I put the sexy in dyslexia.
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