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Tennet
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1458 Posts
August 13 2011 04:24 GMT
#6621
At what skill level should I start playing in tournaments?
"The harder it gets, the more you need to focus on the basics." - Seo Gyung Jong
CecilSunkure
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2829 Posts
August 13 2011 05:44 GMT
#6622
On August 13 2011 13:24 Tennet wrote:
At what skill level should I start playing in tournaments?

Any!

I'd say top few hundred of NA (including GM).
fatguyallen
Profile Joined March 2009
Romania75 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-13 06:23:10
August 13 2011 06:20 GMT
#6623
Is it true that zerg is the race that needs to scout the most ? It sure seems to me that way, since when i am playing 3v3 with my friends, our scouting is pretty lackluster some games and in those games i am way off with comps/timings/drone rounds before attacks (upgraded lings vs storms anyone ? :D )
Soluhwin
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1287 Posts
August 13 2011 06:52 GMT
#6624
On August 13 2011 15:20 fatguyallen wrote:
Is it true that zerg is the race that needs to scout the most ? It sure seems to me that way, since when i am playing 3v3 with my friends, our scouting is pretty lackluster some games and in those games i am way off with comps/timings/drone rounds before attacks (upgraded lings vs storms anyone ? :D )

I suppose one may be able to argue for the other races one way or another, but as a race that is designed reactionary, scouting is really freaking important.
I put the sexy in dyslexia.
AnxiousHippo
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia1451 Posts
August 13 2011 09:14 GMT
#6625
On August 13 2011 14:44 CecilSunkure wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2011 13:24 Tennet wrote:
At what skill level should I start playing in tournaments?

Any!

I'd say top few hundred of NA (including GM).
You don't need to play in big tourneys. There are lots of League specific tourneys that you could start off with to get the feel of it (by league specific I mean they might only accept Bronze-Gold players).
An apple a day keeps the Protoss away | TLHF
Dariusz
Profile Joined May 2011
Poland657 Posts
August 13 2011 20:45 GMT
#6626
What is the standard BO for TvT now?
I played like 20 TvT's today and every game i encountered different style:

1 siege tank marine rush
banshee
fast 1:1:1 marine tank viking
mech without hellions
hellion drops
almost never early expanding

I feel like there is no way to prevent BO loss agains everything at once, but what is the safest standard TvT build? (can't find anything in recomended threads)
Intensity
Profile Joined February 2011
53 Posts
August 13 2011 20:59 GMT
#6627
I really don't understand 2 rax pressure. Unless you're going to FE, why would you not just go 3 rax? 1 base can support 3 buildings easily. When I watch games, I see 2 rax pressure with no gas and their minerals seem to stay low. How do they do that with so few buildings producing? This is super noob, but its something that is really bothering me and I have no clue how it works. Also, when a commentator says "he went gas first" does that mean before the rax? Or after? Any explanation would be really great. Thanks.
whoopingchow
Profile Joined June 2011
United States293 Posts
August 13 2011 21:08 GMT
#6628
Standard BO in pro leagues is typically 1-rax into expand or BFH pressure into expand. Not sure about the ladder...what league are you in? I've had success with 3-rax pressure into expand, but if you're dealing with a turtling Terran, I'd recommend expanding, and then putting down bukers and turrets. You can push out when you scan and see a not-so-scary force. Just make sure you're prepared against cloaked banshees (1-1-1 into expand with marines, tanks, medivacs, and a viking for defense should be good enough to hold off most one-base pressures.

It's definitely true, one base can absolutely support 3 barracks. Maybe they're planning to switch to medivac pressure? And yeah, gas-first usually means before any tech structures (barracks, pool/hatch, or gateway).
Dariusz
Profile Joined May 2011
Poland657 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-13 21:17:08
August 13 2011 21:16 GMT
#6629
On August 14 2011 06:08 whoopingchow wrote:
Standard BO in pro leagues is typically 1-rax into expand or BFH pressure into expand. Not sure about the ladder...what league are you in? I've had success with 3-rax pressure into expand, but if you're dealing with a turtling Terran, I'd recommend expanding, and then putting down bukers and turrets. You can push out when you scan and see a not-so-scary force. Just make sure you're prepared against cloaked banshees (1-1-1 into expand with marines, tanks, medivacs, and a viking for defense should be good enough to hold off most one-base pressures.


Diamond league, thanks.

What upgrades should i get with 1:1:1 before expanding? Obviously siege, but not sure about marine upgrades.
JabbaDaButt
Profile Joined December 2010
United States77 Posts
August 13 2011 22:49 GMT
#6630
On August 14 2011 05:59 Intensity wrote:
I really don't understand 2 rax pressure. Unless you're going to FE, why would you not just go 3 rax? 1 base can support 3 buildings easily. When I watch games, I see 2 rax pressure with no gas and their minerals seem to stay low. How do they do that with so few buildings producing? This is super noob, but its something that is really bothering me and I have no clue how it works. Also, when a commentator says "he went gas first" does that mean before the rax? Or after? Any explanation would be really great. Thanks.


Going 3 rax would be extremely risky play. Say your pressure did minimal damage, you're left in a position where you probably *just* started your CC, and with no tech whatsoever. 2 rax pressure is normally followed with taking a gas (or even 2) or CC so that while you are pressure, you have some follow up to it regardless of how much damage your 2 rax did, that's why their resources are kept low.

"Gas first" really is gas first, before Barrack. This is indicative of 2-port Banshee or rush to 2-3 Factories.
"Marines, the counter to Banelings." -IdrA
Dalguno
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2446 Posts
August 13 2011 23:25 GMT
#6631
Is there some button you can press to disable your keyboard? I'll be in game and trying to make my drone at the beginning and sometimes it just won't work. If I press enter to talk to my opponent, his name's text will be in red. I'm forced to 6 pool because to hotkeys work (although it did get me the win last game against a proxy 2-gating toss) :D
"I'm gonna keep making drones cause I'm a baller, and ballers make drones." -Snute
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
August 13 2011 23:48 GMT
#6632
On August 14 2011 08:25 Dalguno wrote:
Is there some button you can press to disable your keyboard? I'll be in game and trying to make my drone at the beginning and sometimes it just won't work. If I press enter to talk to my opponent, his name's text will be in red. I'm forced to 6 pool because to hotkeys work (although it did get me the win last game against a proxy 2-gating toss) :D


It sounds like or "alt" key is getting stuck-- but this would also change the functionality of your unit health bars, which you would probably notice.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Intensity
Profile Joined February 2011
53 Posts
August 14 2011 01:47 GMT
#6633
On August 14 2011 07:49 JabbaDaButt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2011 05:59 Intensity wrote:
I really don't understand 2 rax pressure. Unless you're going to FE, why would you not just go 3 rax? 1 base can support 3 buildings easily. When I watch games, I see 2 rax pressure with no gas and their minerals seem to stay low. How do they do that with so few buildings producing? This is super noob, but its something that is really bothering me and I have no clue how it works. Also, when a commentator says "he went gas first" does that mean before the rax? Or after? Any explanation would be really great. Thanks.


Going 3 rax would be extremely risky play. Say your pressure did minimal damage, you're left in a position where you probably *just* started your CC, and with no tech whatsoever. 2 rax pressure is normally followed with taking a gas (or even 2) or CC so that while you are pressure, you have some follow up to it regardless of how much damage your 2 rax did, that's why their resources are kept low.

"Gas first" really is gas first, before Barrack. This is indicative of 2-port Banshee or rush to 2-3 Factories.


Thanks a ton for the explanation. I wish there was a good place to look @ BO's and determine their effectiveness. A lot of what is on Liquipedia is good, but a lot is outdated. Its hard to determine what is and isn't worth using.
XeronatesBad
Profile Joined August 2011
United States8 Posts
August 14 2011 03:08 GMT
#6634
I have recently started the difficult process of race switching because Terran has turned into a very mech based race which I hate, but I am getting quite frustrated as I can't even practice the race because of the league I am in. Are there any ways to make race switching easier?
Oreo7
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1647 Posts
August 14 2011 03:29 GMT
#6635
Anyone have a guide/replay of the zealot/phoneix PvZ style MC showed v Sen and Sage used in his teamkill? Thanks in advance!
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Soluhwin
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1287 Posts
August 14 2011 04:17 GMT
#6636
On August 14 2011 12:08 XeronatesBad wrote:
I have recently started the difficult process of race switching because Terran has turned into a very mech based race which I hate, but I am getting quite frustrated as I can't even practice the race because of the league I am in. Are there any ways to make race switching easier?

You could try custom games... or just deal with losing a lot.
I put the sexy in dyslexia.
smitty5569
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada41 Posts
August 14 2011 05:25 GMT
#6637
What percentage of minerals do you lose when you cancel a building?
Place quote here.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
August 14 2011 05:29 GMT
#6638
On August 14 2011 14:25 smitty5569 wrote:
What percentage of minerals do you lose when you cancel a building?


you lose 25% of the building value when it is cancelled, recovering 75%.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Geiko
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France1952 Posts
August 14 2011 09:24 GMT
#6639
On August 14 2011 12:08 XeronatesBad wrote:
I have recently started the difficult process of race switching because Terran has turned into a very mech based race which I hate, but I am getting quite frustrated as I can't even practice the race because of the league I am in. Are there any ways to make race switching easier?


Just play on the ladder. You'll be back to where you belong in 30 or so games and you'll have 30 losing replays of you to figure out what you're doing wrong.

I don't know why people don't like to play better players, you can actually learn quite a lot. I'm always thrilled when I get paired with famous/pro players on the ladder because I know that I'll most likely get my assed kicked and that I'll be able to pin point precise problems with my BO or overall game.
geiko.813 (EU)
KaiserJohan
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden1808 Posts
August 14 2011 10:04 GMT
#6640
I am using a 4:3 monitor. Do I get ingame gameplay beenfits (larger view) with a widescreen?
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