ZvP December Build - Page 4

On February 01 2011 23:27 Ciara wrote:
Dont know what game you are playing, a protss who takes 3 bases fast are way overextending what he can actually defend and should never be allowed as zerg. and yes colosus voids are a bitch to deal with, but if you are sitting at 200 food as zerg against 200 food toss, you more or less always lose and was not what i was saying, you hit 200 food as zerg before toss, and when you hit 200 food your ress start to build up, you attack and can more or less remax instantly again, yes you probably lose the fight but you can pick off quite a bit and make the army you want to deal with him while remaxing, cutting corruptors or getting more, mass roaches vs Templer tech and so on.

and do know how important upgrads are on Hydra/roaches but it dont justify going for them that early and cut into your econemy just to defend some push that might never come. sure you been succesfull with your roach pushes afterwards, but lets be real, which GOOD protoss have you ever played with it?

last but not least, why would i change my play style against toss seeing im beating who are considered the best toss players outside of korea white-ra/nightend/mana sadly lost to cruncher the TSL before were i was stupid enough to try some roach push of 2 bases, which i may add he shut down completly and steam roll me afterwards

On February 01 2011 23:27 Ciara wrote:
Dont know what game you are playing, a protss who takes 3 bases fast are way overextending what he can actually defend and should never be allowed as zerg. and yes colosus voids are a bitch to deal with, but if you are sitting at 200 food as zerg against 200 food toss, you more or less always lose and was not what i was saying, you hit 200 food as zerg before toss, and when you hit 200 food your ress start to build up, you attack and can more or less remax instantly again, yes you probably lose the fight but you can pick off quite a bit and make the army you want to deal with him while remaxing, cutting corruptors or getting more, mass roaches vs Templer tech and so on.

and do know how important upgrads are on Hydra/roaches but it dont justify going for them that early and cut into your econemy just to defend some push that might never come. sure you been succesfull with your roach pushes afterwards, but lets be real, which GOOD protoss have you ever played with it?

last but not least, why would i change my play style against toss seeing im beating who are considered the best toss players outside of korea white-ra/nightend/mana sadly lost to cruncher the TSL before were i was stupid enough to try some roach push of 2 bases, which i may add he shut down completly and steam roll me afterwards

On February 01 2011 23:38 decemberTV wrote:


Don't be defensive i'm not trying to discredit you as a player. I'm simply saying that i like to attack into the protoss before 200 so i dont have to deal with his ball of death in midgame .

Now if thats better or not remains to be seen.

On February 01 2011 23:47 SubtleArt wrote:
It seems like your drone count would be pretty low but I'll definitely give it a shot. I remember fiddling around with +1 melee builds for ZvZ a while back.
2 questions though:

any reason in particular that you think +1 range is more worth it than +1 armor? Ive always assumed armor to be more valuable.

Second, ever since the patch that fixed pylon blocking a ramp I've been pretty comfortable 14 hatching vs toss and I find it gives a better econ. Would this build work with a 14h too or do you need to 14gas to have enough gas for everything.

On February 02 2011 00:06 Ciara wrote:
Funny how you thinking sc2 ranking me, and not seeing my account im playing on, barely played any games on that account since master league came out, but sure hope that made you feel better about yourself, a reason iv gotten top 16 in all 3 TSL iv played, and you havent even hit what? top 64?

On February 02 2011 00:09 Sadform wrote:


The question really is... who cares?

On February 02 2011 00:15 Skinnyowllegs wrote:


Good players, not random diamond scrubs like yourself

On February 02 2011 00:06 Ciara wrote:
Funny how you thinking sc2 ranking me, and not seeing my account im playing on, barely played any games on that account since master league came out, but sure hope that made you feel better about yourself, a reason iv gotten top 16 in all 3 TSL iv played, and you havent even hit what? top 64?

On February 01 2011 22:26 Ciara wrote:
The build is not horrible, but it aint good either. What if the 6 gate never comes? and even if it come i see you losing to lots of forcefield stalkers. its a "safe" build, but like skinnyowllegs said you gonna lose to good players with this

On February 02 2011 00:22 Communism wrote:
My standard ZvP against a 6-gate is speed/burrow roach timing attack of about 18 roaches (dpending on how much they pressured), this usually ends the game right here or at least denies their expansion.

I like the idea of the +1 also, but i have tried this as well and I feel like it reduces my roach count too much, (by like 4-6 roaches : 75 for chamber plus 150 150 for upgrade) at the critical timing right when burrow/speed finishes. That is what makes this attack so strong is because it usually hits before detection is out (unless they forge expanded in which you have to be careful and snipe cannons)., unless you scouted early robo in which case you should not get burrow and tech switch before you make a lot of roaches.

On February 02 2011 00:06 Ciara wrote:
Funny how you thinking sc2 ranking me, and not seeing my account im playing on, barely played any games on that account since master league came out, but sure hope that made you feel better about yourself, a reason iv gotten top 16 in all 3 TSL iv played, and you havent even hit what? top 64?