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3200 master(damn, name of this league sounds so pretentious) here,
I've tried this builid and it works pretty good so far, I prefer this over burrow because
1. It gives advantage in later stages of game - burrow doesnt help that much vs huge collosus ball while +1 attack certainly does.
2. Other units also gain something because of this builid - +1 atk hydras get significant dps boost. hydras and lings dont gain much from burrow.
3. It's just easier to use - you basically can a-move vs toss and u dont have to care that much, while burrow takes some apm to use. Futhermore, you can also start roach production later because your units are stronger so it leaves more room to drone up.
Probably just like communism said, timings of the burrow make it better to be aggressive, while timing december builid is better if u want to be defensive. Im super greedy so fast +1atk suits me better. GJ
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On February 02 2011 00:49 Geo.Rion wrote:
my problem with this is that almost every P goes for at least a pressure build if he's not forge expanding( and sometimes even so), what you can hold off with either a tone of units or roaches with speed and/or burrow. If you delay the Lair that heavily you wont have either of it out, in my experience, and i play on pretty much the same rankings, i even played the guys you beat in the reps. Clash could have done some serious demage had he not retreat seeing 16 lings and 2 crawlers, on Xelanaga, those crawlers can be avoided, and with that many sentries lings wouldnt have been bale to do much.
I certainly can see this one working out, but it's rather up to the opponent not taking advantage of the holes in it.
Not to mention often protosses fake going 3 gate expand and allin hardcore instead with some hidden gates / tech, and then your half way done +1 wont help out too much.
Very recently i died to an expention build which turned out to be a 4 gate allin after placing the nexus. It was stupid, but because of it, i had no chance to hold it off.
But it's great that you try to help zergs out there
If you watch the actual replay you can see that the evo is only made AFTER you see a nexus >,<;
Please, Please ! watch the replay before you comment : (
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[B]last but not least, why would i change my play style against toss seeing im beating who are considered the best toss players outside of korea white-ra/nightend/mana sadly lost to cruncher the TSL before were i was stupid enough to try some roach push of 2 bases, which i may add he shut down completly and steam roll me afterwards
I hope you are not the "real" Ciara, and I choose to belive that.. Namedropping every oponent you've once beaten in a bo3 or whatever and acting like a general douche will not get you many fans. But if this is your real account I guess you're not that into making friends xP
It's not like he commanded you to do this build as far as I can tell.
Lets just all be friends.
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thx for the lovely stream, ill definately try this build 
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On February 02 2011 01:12 decemberTV wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2011 00:49 Geo.Rion wrote:
my problem with this is that almost every P goes for at least a pressure build if he's not forge expanding( and sometimes even so), what you can hold off with either a tone of units or roaches with speed and/or burrow. If you delay the Lair that heavily you wont have either of it out, in my experience, and i play on pretty much the same rankings, i even played the guys you beat in the reps. Clash could have done some serious demage had he not retreat seeing 16 lings and 2 crawlers, on Xelanaga, those crawlers can be avoided, and with that many sentries lings wouldnt have been bale to do much.
I certainly can see this one working out, but it's rather up to the opponent not taking advantage of the holes in it.
Not to mention often protosses fake going 3 gate expand and allin hardcore instead with some hidden gates / tech, and then your half way done +1 wont help out too much.
Very recently i died to an expention build which turned out to be a 4 gate allin after placing the nexus. It was stupid, but because of it, i had no chance to hold it off.
But it's great that you try to help zergs out there If you watch the actual replay you can see that the evo is only made AFTER you see a nexus >,<; Please, Please ! watch the replay before you comment : (
i watched it, havent actually noticed that, it's really nice then; but the rest still stands, i mean you have really few stuff to defend if he goes pressure with his gate units when his nex is building, that is if he's not scared aways for no reason. To me it looked like you got lucky to get away with that little defence early on, i dont think one can have quick upgrades, good eco and enough stuff to defend, everybody would be doing that if it was possible. This way it looks like a gamble to me, but will try with some practice partners, maybe it feels different when played
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What a surprise to see a swede making an ass out of himself, must be our weather... or something.
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First of all i am probably a douche dont really care, second i only started naming players cause he dont seem to wanna listen to reason, so he beat some toss on ladder with it... dont really mean its a good build by any mean.
Only reason i wrote in here in the first place, was cause he felt like showing his stream how wrong he thought skinnyowllegs was, and making it seem like he is stupid, when in reality he is correct
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On February 02 2011 02:21 Ciara wrote:
First of all i am probably a douche dont really care, second i only started naming players cause he dont seem to wanna listen to reason, so he beat some toss on ladder with it... dont really mean its a good build by any mean.
Only reason i wrote in here in the first place, was cause he felt like showing his stream how wrong he thought skinnyowllegs was, and making it seem like he is stupid, when in reality he is correct
I didnt watch the stream at that time so I dont know whats up. The only thing I know is that Desember is only trying to help out. I hardly think that his motivation for posting this build on the TL forum was to educate the pro's.
I like this build and I'm having success with it atm. It's stronger than burrow against 6 gate for me. Guess I'm not playing white-ra or anyone like him, but from my understanding no build is perfect in every way shape or form. If it is then I prob gonna quit the game.
I don't really know you mate so I'm not really in a position to judge about the douchiness except those douchbag comments It seems you realize those posts was a bit over the top, and thats good enough for me. I think you should accept this build for what it is. If you are doing great in TSL with your style, and you have things figured out you obviously dont need to change it up.
GL HF
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On February 02 2011 00:56 Matiz_pl wrote:
3200 master(damn, name of this league sounds so pretentious) here,
I've tried this builid and it works pretty good so far, I prefer this over burrow because
1. It gives advantage in later stages of game - burrow doesnt help that much vs huge collosus ball while +1 attack certainly does.
2. Other units also gain something because of this builid - +1 atk hydras get significant dps boost. hydras and lings dont gain much from burrow.
3. It's just easier to use - you basically can a-move vs toss and u dont have to care that much, while burrow takes some apm to use. Futhermore, you can also start roach production later because your units are stronger so it leaves more room to drone up.
Probably just like communism said, timings of the burrow make it better to be aggressive, while timing december builid is better if u want to be defensive. Im super greedy so fast +1atk suits me better. GJ
thank you for your feedback Matiz ^_^. Nice to see someone actually trying the build before they comment on it. i'm sorry i overlooked it because of all the commotion caused by other people :D
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On February 02 2011 07:51 decemberTV wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2011 00:56 Matiz_pl wrote:
3200 master(damn, name of this league sounds so pretentious) here,
I've tried this builid and it works pretty good so far, I prefer this over burrow because
1. It gives advantage in later stages of game - burrow doesnt help that much vs huge collosus ball while +1 attack certainly does.
2. Other units also gain something because of this builid - +1 atk hydras get significant dps boost. hydras and lings dont gain much from burrow.
3. It's just easier to use - you basically can a-move vs toss and u dont have to care that much, while burrow takes some apm to use. Futhermore, you can also start roach production later because your units are stronger so it leaves more room to drone up.
Probably just like communism said, timings of the burrow make it better to be aggressive, while timing december builid is better if u want to be defensive. Im super greedy so fast +1atk suits me better. GJ thank you for your feedback Matiz ^_^. Nice to see someone actually trying the build before they comment on it. i'm sorry i overlooked it because of all the commotion caused by other people :D
i tried it too, it was wierd actually, as i thought i took some serious demage in early midgame, so i got behind and i was sure i am gonna lose, but actually the +2 timing hit really in time, before colossi could gather up and i broke the toss, i was more surprised then he was
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To the people making fun of December for naming this build after himself:
Getting +1 weapons before burrow is a hugely significant change. This is a real time strategy game, the time at which you do things is absolutely relevant. The Flash Build from BW, a super monstrous build that he beat every protoss he used it against ever (when he didn't open 14cc) is just a build that gets upgrades slightly faster.
PvZ is and always has been a very upgrade centric matchup as well. The significance of your +1 timing cannot be overstated, assuming a high level of play.
Just because two builds use the same units or outwardly don't look like they have huge differences doesn't mean they are at all similar to play with.
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Decembre is definitely a Zerg people want to emulate, please pay attention
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Hey December, thankyou very much for sharing this overall strategy with the community. I'll deffinatly give it a go and see if it fits the way I play my Zerg game. I reccon it would mesh in quite well so I'm a little excited haha
After reading the whole thread. Haters gonna hate. If this doesn't work for them then they shouldn't do it. If they already have something that works? Great! Keep on keeping on Zerg brothers! In my eyes this build is just more tricks up the sleeve 
Cheers!
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A lot of hate here. doesn't make much sense.
Judging by the replies you'd think that every poster on teamliquid is on the top 0.5% of players world wide.
I'm going to test this build out, i've been doing something very very similar, but this looks a lot cleaner than how I time everything, saw it on your stream too wasn't even close :D.
Thanks for the effort, you've always been a good zerg to watch and learn from
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On January 31 2011 01:29 Alpina wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2011 01:15 decemberTV wrote:On January 30 2011 23:44 Alpina wrote:
I was using this long ago. Pretty much the same what machine was coaching MrBitter on his stream, just this one is without burrow which is bad imo because 6 gate does not have detection.
+1 as the alternative to burrow and before lair -.- DECEMBER BUILD k ? and don't talk about machine / bitter like you completely understand their builds I just don't get why name the build with your name when pretty much the only change is few timings and 1 upgrade. Just like I would take "your" build right now, change one timing and then call it by my name.
Its called timing... I love your tye dye shirts by the way. GOOOO Lithuania!
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On February 02 2011 02:21 Ciara wrote:
First of all i am probably a douche dont really care, second i only started naming players cause he dont seem to wanna listen to reason, so he beat some toss on ladder with it... dont really mean its a good build by any mean.
Only reason i wrote in here in the first place, was cause he felt like showing his stream how wrong he thought skinnyowllegs was, and making it seem like he is stupid, when in reality he is correct
Ya I can confirm. You are a douche that has never done anything special in this game and you are way out of line for coming on here and hijacking a thread that is geared towards helping lower level people struggling against a particular build. Who cares what he said on his stream? Have some thicker skin dude. PM me if you can get on a US account and ill put you in your place, I'll even make a VOD of it.
@December. I'm not a zerg player but appreciate the contribution as I feel alot of zerg players miss the concept of timing completely and just sit back and max. I think its healthy to help people not used to it understand that "when" is usually more important than "what"
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On January 31 2011 01:15 decemberTV wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2011 23:44 Alpina wrote:
I was using this long ago. Pretty much the same what machine was coaching MrBitter on his stream, just this one is without burrow which is bad imo because 6 gate does not have detection.
+1 as the alternative to burrow and before lair -.- DECEMBER BUILD k ? and don't talk about machine / bitter like you completely understand their builds
Getting a little cocky? When you win a major tournament maybe I'll be a little more forgiving of this particular attitude, but right now all you are is a self aggrandizing masterleague zerg player who happens to stream alot, and honestly though quite good, is a little one dimensional in your play.
Don't think to assume that just because someone doesn't play at the same you do that they can't possibly understand the intricacies of pro level play. I am not pro, but your build has one rather huge problem, your lair is out too late to get OL speed, this keeps you more or less BLIND.
So, yes this build can handle the 6gate timing push alot of toss pull, and it will run over a toss that went stargate expand who didn't keep producing phoenix. What it WON'T stop is Phoenix DT play, by giving up the hydra den and going late lair, you give toss map control, you cannot push out of your base while a toss has more than just a handful of phoenix and a couple DT's. YOu can't snipe the Phoenix who will kill your overseers and once that happens who cares that your army is larger?
Don't tell me that "at my level building more than 5 phoenix will cost someone the game" because every phoenix built is 1 less unit for you. With no primary AA unit it's not too difficult to confine you to base and punish you for leaving your queens at home, or punish you for taking your queens with your army. If you build enough spores, your economy WILL suffer, too many queens not enough mins in roaches, Hydras are the most efficient method of dealing with mass phoenix from toss, and mass phoenix is comming into favor.
I had no problem with you until you started talking down to someone you don't know. Your build is efficient for one or two instances, but it is still a 1a build... Understand the flaws of the build, everyone that has asked about them, you put down and browbeat like you are the Zerg god. Until you roll over fruit dealer 3-0 in a BO5 you have no right to tell people they don't know what they are talking about. BTW, your build gets hella countered by something that looks a helluva lot like a 6gate.
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I would try the following change:
Drop a second geiser as you put drones in the first one.
Get lair faster + burrow right after lair.
I mean upgrades are very nice and +2 is very very good, but forcefields can kill you without you able to react to it. I mean the idea is sane but the fact that forcefields are available for the protoss is a bit too much of a threat.
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Nestea used Evo before Lair play with great success in the last GSL, your Zergling/Spine defence in the early game is a variation though.
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On February 04 2011 02:27 innoby wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2011 01:15 decemberTV wrote:On January 30 2011 23:44 Alpina wrote:
I was using this long ago. Pretty much the same what machine was coaching MrBitter on his stream, just this one is without burrow which is bad imo because 6 gate does not have detection.
+1 as the alternative to burrow and before lair -.- DECEMBER BUILD k ? and don't talk about machine / bitter like you completely understand their builds Getting a little cocky? When you win a major tournament maybe I'll be a little more forgiving of this particular attitude, but right now all you are is a self aggrandizing masterleague zerg player who happens to stream alot, and honestly though quite good, is a little one dimensional in your play. Don't think to assume that just because someone doesn't play at the same you do that they can't possibly understand the intricacies of pro level play. I am not pro, but your build has one rather huge problem, your lair is out too late to get OL speed, this keeps you more or less BLIND. So, yes this build can handle the 6gate timing push alot of toss pull, and it will run over a toss that went stargate expand who didn't keep producing phoenix. What it WON'T stop is Phoenix DT play, by giving up the hydra den and going late lair, you give toss map control, you cannot push out of your base while a toss has more than just a handful of phoenix and a couple DT's. YOu can't snipe the Phoenix who will kill your overseers and once that happens who cares that your army is larger? Don't tell me that "at my level building more than 5 phoenix will cost someone the game" because every phoenix built is 1 less unit for you. With no primary AA unit it's not too difficult to confine you to base and punish you for leaving your queens at home, or punish you for taking your queens with your army. If you build enough spores, your economy WILL suffer, too many queens not enough mins in roaches, Hydras are the most efficient method of dealing with mass phoenix from toss, and mass phoenix is comming into favor. I had no problem with you until you started talking down to someone you don't know. Your build is efficient for one or two instances, but it is still a 1a build... Understand the flaws of the build, everyone that has asked about them, you put down and browbeat like you are the Zerg god. Until you roll over fruit dealer 3-0 in a BO5 you have no right to tell people they don't know what they are talking about. BTW, your build gets hella countered by something that looks a helluva lot like a 6gate.
Yeah, i'm sorry, when i'm cornered i bite :D. And in my defence i'm sure you see the amount of hate and trolling in this thread.
I'm sure you see the irony in having some people say that just because they're not Master League they can't comment or criticize the build and then having Ciara here saying that he is so much better and can say that +1 before lair is a bad idea without even trying it.
Why call it "december build" ? Because it needs a name and i need the popularity. Just today i streamed a game where i used "the december build" against a 6gating toss and all the forcefields in the workd didn't make a dent in my roach army.
I must say that i'm getting annoyed with people theorycrafting the build without trying it out regardless of their skill level.
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