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balosan
Profile Joined July 2010
Poland232 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-30 16:54:21
January 30 2011 16:54 GMT
#21
I like this build, gonna try it for sure. Not too huge fan of burrow since its usless with hydras when they go any kind of air play. Do u make any timing push with this build when toss is goin for standart 3 gate expo into robo tech? - immortal - > colosus.
Skinnyowllegs
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden28 Posts
January 30 2011 17:08 GMT
#22
haha "the december build"! More like standard zvp but with slightly earlier +1... Nice try though...
decemvre
Profile Joined May 2010
Romania639 Posts
January 30 2011 17:11 GMT
#23
On January 31 2011 01:53 TheRPGAddict wrote:
Just a question on the gas timings. When do you put your drones back into your single gas. Then your 2nd and 3rd come after starting +1 attack and then the 4th comes after starting lair correct? Or are those just some loose/flexible timings?


I can't talk about that Unless its during coaching. However the general rule whenever you see a nexus is that your economy should take presendece over anything else, unless you want to pressure with some early roaches. Not really possible vs the 3 gate expand.
decemberTV
decemvre
Profile Joined May 2010
Romania639 Posts
January 30 2011 17:12 GMT
#24
On January 31 2011 02:08 Skinnyowllegs wrote:
haha "the december build"! More like standard zvp but with slightly earlier +1... Nice try though...


Yes, thats what makes it "december build"
decemberTV
AnotherEon
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom250 Posts
January 30 2011 17:14 GMT
#25
if you have to withhold simple info like that to get people to buy coaching from a nonamer such as yourself, then i cant see why anyone would buy coaching from you ^^
Skinnyowllegs
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden28 Posts
January 30 2011 17:15 GMT
#26
well its kinda a stupid build tbh, and it doesnt work against good players, since they will prevent you from scouting whatever tech they choose to go unless you have lair... and if u go +1 before lair you will not have time to defend airplay pheonix build from 2 bases... Nice try but no banana!
Skinnyowllegs
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden28 Posts
January 30 2011 17:16 GMT
#27
On January 31 2011 02:14 AnotherEon wrote:
if you have to withhold simple info like that to get people to buy coaching from a nonamer such as yourself, then i cant see why anyone would buy coaching from you ^^



Oh believe me, there are plenty of noobs who think december is a good player.... they pay up
gibb
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden288 Posts
January 30 2011 17:20 GMT
#28
lol egotripping much decmber?

Decent idea tho, also using the evo as a wallin structure helps vs 4gating.
Manners.
decemvre
Profile Joined May 2010
Romania639 Posts
January 30 2011 17:20 GMT
#29
On January 31 2011 02:15 Skinnyowllegs wrote:
well its kinda a stupid build tbh, and it doesnt work against good players, since they will prevent you from scouting whatever tech they choose to go unless you have lair... and if u go +1 before lair you will not have time to defend airplay pheonix build from 2 bases... Nice try but no banana!


now excuse me but when one sees phoenix one builds spores at minerals lines not ? o.O

fail >_<;

but keep trying.
decemberTV
Skinnyowllegs
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden28 Posts
January 30 2011 17:26 GMT
#30
On January 31 2011 02:20 decemberTV wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2011 02:15 Skinnyowllegs wrote:
well its kinda a stupid build tbh, and it doesnt work against good players, since they will prevent you from scouting whatever tech they choose to go unless you have lair... and if u go +1 before lair you will not have time to defend airplay pheonix build from 2 bases... Nice try but no banana!


now excuse me but when one sees phoenix one builds spores at minerals lines not ? o.O

fail >_<;

but keep trying.


the 4 pheonixes will have supply capped you to 0 ten times over, before your spores finnishes...
decemvre
Profile Joined May 2010
Romania639 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-30 17:36:28
January 30 2011 17:35 GMT
#31
On January 31 2011 02:20 gibb wrote:
lol egotripping much decmber?

Decent idea tho, also using the evo as a wallin structure helps vs 4gating.


no this is not vs 4gate.

And yes, egotrip i'm not allowed ? Its my brainchild
decemberTV
decemvre
Profile Joined May 2010
Romania639 Posts
January 30 2011 17:35 GMT
#32
On January 31 2011 02:26 Skinnyowllegs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2011 02:20 decemberTV wrote:
On January 31 2011 02:15 Skinnyowllegs wrote:
well its kinda a stupid build tbh, and it doesnt work against good players, since they will prevent you from scouting whatever tech they choose to go unless you have lair... and if u go +1 before lair you will not have time to defend airplay pheonix build from 2 bases... Nice try but no banana!


now excuse me but when one sees phoenix one builds spores at minerals lines not ? o.O

fail >_<;

but keep trying.


the 4 pheonixes will have supply capped you to 0 ten times over, before your spores finnishes...


haha :D you're so optimistic... :D you think you can have corruptors or hidras out at that time ? you need spores.

I'm gonna stop replying to posts like yours
decemberTV
TheRPGAddict
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1403 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-30 18:12:52
January 30 2011 18:01 GMT
#33
On January 31 2011 02:11 decemberTV wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2011 01:53 TheRPGAddict wrote:
Just a question on the gas timings. When do you put your drones back into your single gas. Then your 2nd and 3rd come after starting +1 attack and then the 4th comes after starting lair correct? Or are those just some loose/flexible timings?


I can't talk about that Unless its during coaching. However the general rule whenever you see a nexus is that your economy should take presendece over anything else, unless you want to pressure with some early roaches. Not really possible vs the 3 gate expand.
My question reffered to this specific build, idk if that changes anything. I guess I will just play around with it.

Edit: Nvm I got it.
superllama
Profile Joined August 2010
24 Posts
January 30 2011 18:31 GMT
#34
...k, so that's how to time +1. That's like the intermediate level of timing; the timing of your own structures/production. It has nothing to do with the timing of your opponent's builds. (That's the advanced level of timing that made things like 2-Hatch Muta so powerful in brood war). It just kind of randomly happens to sorta kinda defend a 6gate, not even with tight timing in regards to the Toss's build, as evidenced by the "comfortable timing" you say it has. You know why? It's because for God's sake, it's just a fast +1! It's a "comfortable timing" because we're not playing rock-paper-scissors, where this counters this counters this! It's like you're trying to name "Build-Spine-Crawlers-to-Kill-Hellions" after yourself!

I've got no beef with my homie Fast +1, (although usually -- though not always [I'm looking at you Siege Tech, as long as the strat calls for it anyway] -- getting an upgrade ultra-fast, especially long ones like +1, to defend rather than attack is a bad sign. And before you yell "Baneling Speed!" no, I'm not forgetting. But i'm digressing; go watch a Day9 Daily for explanation lol :D ), but it's like when that guy tried to name dropping single units out of a Medivac onto Banelings. I might as well name a tactic like cliffing tanks the Superllama Tanks, or go back to Brood War and name ye olde fast +1 Zeal/Archon push the Superllama Rapes Face Cause He's So Awesome Build.

And seriously, not telling the guy who asked the gas timing? When he could just look at the replay and find it himself in 5 minutes? So this entire "build" was just advertising for your coaching services? Because if you're not even gonna explain it unless I pay you money, I don't see why you need to post to teach me how to build an Evo Chamber. (Those gasses have more to do with your transition than your opening, anyway).

Besides, the strength of a build isn't in the numbers, it's in the strategy, typically the advanced level of timings reached when considering the OTHER guy's strategy, e.g. ye also-olde 9Minute Push in BW ZvT. If your build is so strategically brilliant, we'll remember you for your genius, not your number-crunching.
TheRPGAddict
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1403 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-30 18:35:10
January 30 2011 18:34 GMT
#35
@superllama. I asked the gas timing after seeing the replay because I did not see any clear indicator in that game of when he would do it. So yes, I watched the replay. However, I dont think it is as rigid as I am trying to make it out to be and it depends on the scouting you get. Its not a biggie.
Let it Raine
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1245 Posts
January 30 2011 18:40 GMT
#36
people are insane.

he called it the December build because HE uses it... that's it. He could have also said, "this is the build I use vs toss" but that's longer and stupid.

Anyways, the build looks interesting I might try it next time I gas before pool. (and scout 3 gate expand)
Grandmaster Zerg x14. Diamond 1 LoL. MLG 50, Halo 3. Raine.
EmilA
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark4618 Posts
January 30 2011 19:31 GMT
#37
Damn you've gone up the ladder recently. I remember meeting you when you were slightly favoured and now you're 500 above me in masters.
http://dotabuff.com/players/122305951 playing other games
decemvre
Profile Joined May 2010
Romania639 Posts
January 30 2011 19:37 GMT
#38
@_@ its all due to that build cause my ZvT is just terrible at the moment : >
decemberTV
OmNomSpy
Profile Joined August 2010
United States68 Posts
January 30 2011 19:39 GMT
#39
On January 31 2011 02:08 Skinnyowllegs wrote:
haha "the december build"! More like standard zvp but with slightly earlier +1... Nice try though...


Seriously though, what is it with everyone wanting to name builds after themselves?

---This is a good build but at some point before you decide to roach up so hard you need to confirm he is going 6 gate.
Vimes2136
Profile Joined January 2011
2 Posts
January 30 2011 20:04 GMT
#40
Wait, did I miss the big reason why anyone cares what the build is called, much less is trying to pick an argument with the opening post?

Thanks for posting Decembre - I think I'm gonna have to give offracing to Zerg a try
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