I got about 11:15 but using mules with T

I'm guessing that the mules really dont help out THAT much, kind of makes me consider the real value of mules

FiWiFaKi

Canada9859 Posts

January 15 2011 17:58 GMT

#103

11:22... Diamond terran, 4 bases and 16 nexii.

On January 16 2011 02:56 SilverBullet wrote:
I got about 11:15 but using mules with T

I'm guessing that the mules really dont help out THAT much, kind of makes me consider the real value of mules

replay?

goofy

United States5 Posts

January 15 2011 18:13 GMT

#104

Bronze Terran

First try: 13:45, did not make CCs fast enough

Khaladas

United States223 Posts

January 15 2011 21:50 GMT

#105

12:55 Gold

I'm pretty sure I can do better but I'm not willing to keep trying since I don't think i'm learning particularly useful mechanics that I would normally use in game.

I would definitely be interested in a follow up to this where we build a 200 food army as fast as possible.

Najda

United States3765 Posts

January 15 2011 22:31 GMT

#106

On January 14 2011 06:13 REM.ca wrote:

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The points are enumerated at the start of the OP. This exercise helps develop muscle memory for such things as worker production timing, supply building timing as well as an understanding of the importance of these fundamentals because even though the rules of the exercise are simple, the nuances for the fastest way to achieve 200/200 can be quite subtle.

Except all timings will be drastically different (for zerg especially) when you include the macro mechanic. What you are doing is teaching beginners incorrect habits and timings.

Khull

United States40 Posts

January 15 2011 22:43 GMT

#107

Protoss, Silver, and 12:02

I'm very interested in the follow up exercises you have planned!

telfire

United States415 Posts

January 15 2011 23:29 GMT

#108

Yeah, it's a really great idea to build tons of extra hatches/ccs/nexi that you would NEVER have cause to build otherwise. That is great practice for beginners....

ChinaMENG

United States33 Posts

January 16 2011 03:49 GMT

#109

Diamond Z. 11:30 off 4 mining bases, 16 hatches, no queens

shimpoe

88 Posts

January 16 2011 04:18 GMT

#110

I can't speak for the OP, but I don't think the point is to create a real game scenario... it's to get comfortable with constantly producing a unit, constantly keeping money low, and constantly preventing supply blockage for a decent chunk of time (11~13 minutes this exercise takes). Workers are a great unit to use for this. Workers are simple in cost, don't require any tech deviation or excess production facilities and most importantly of all, they increase your income which makes the whole exercise increase in difficulty as it goes on. Sure, it isn't the hardest exercise in the world, and most players can probably handle it fine, but don't discard the exercise just because it is below your skill level. It's just a fundamental exercise, and its very simple and basic. There is nothing wrong with setting a few rules and creating a simple exercise to isolate your practice down to a few simple fundamentals. If it's personally too easy then try increasing the difficulty a bit by changing rules for yourself. Maybe try hitting 200/200 while only making probes and gateway units.

MHath

5 Posts

January 16 2011 04:47 GMT

#111

On January 16 2011 00:20 thurst0n wrote:
This is for the michael jordan comments a few pages back.. this is his response to Lebron James being a pussy and wanting to go play WITH other stars, instead of michael jordan working hard and wanting to play AGAINST the stars and BEAT them.... hard work is all it is..

I'm going to try this when I get home

That isn't Michael Jordan's response to anything. It's an old commercial that someone just put together with Lebron's commercial to make it seem that way.

REM.ca

Canada354 Posts

January 16 2011 14:08 GMT

#112

SCBuildOrder agrees with you. To get 200 workers, it is actually faster NOT to get orbital command and MULES.

It would be silly to generalize that to a real game scenario though. But your smiley kinda gives away that you knew that.

Also, you forgot to say what league you are in.

Pokebunny

United States10654 Posts

January 16 2011 18:23 GMT

#113

Woah, people are fast. Masters Terran using P, got 12:10. Didn't put up macro nexii fast enough though.

TexSC

United States195 Posts

January 16 2011 19:39 GMT

#114

Diamond Terran - 12:02. Stuck to the rules. No orbitals, no gold minerals. Used the map megaton, and even got attacked by the a.i.

EDIT: improved to 11:58, but got bad spawn locations. Will not try again as only 2 tries are allowed.

REM.ca

Canada354 Posts

January 16 2011 23:02 GMT

#115

Well you can try again, just don't report it

Servius_Fulvius

United States947 Posts

January 17 2011 01:57 GMT

#116

Gold Zerg - 12:58

I lost a few to a zealot attack, and I could probably do better by at least a minute given some practice, but I got other things to work on first.

THIS made the whole 15 minute game worth it!
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Flowen

United States1 Post

January 24 2011 17:39 GMT

#117

Gold Terran 11:45 - could've probably shaved off a few seconds with better maynarding.

salvagebar

United States10 Posts

January 28 2011 00:53 GMT

#118

Terran, first time was about 17:00, best time is 13:45 after about an hour of practice - a big improvement.
FWIW, I am starting out with StarCraft, not on the ladder yet, and I am finding this extremely helpful.

My stamina isn't that high yet, so it is good that the exercise is short, and I get feedback quickly. I am learning to scan my resources and the minimap regularly, and to time sending workers to the build location as I track the speed of resource acquisition to properly time dropping a building exactly when I have the resources to do it, to keep my money low. These are all fundamental skills that are becoming second nature to me. I feel like working on micro is way more interesting, but I'm a long way from the point where that will be a deciding factor. This is the work that makes you a winner when you first start: The best place to store your money is inside your buildings and units, not in the bank.

"An army marches on its stomach." - Napoleon Bonaparte

DaemonX

545 Posts

January 28 2011 06:31 GMT

#119

On January 14 2011 11:21 REM.ca wrote:

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Let me specify ONCE AGAIN that this exercise has value especially, if not uniquely, to very new players. Players who don't use hotkeys, who queue their units, who get supply blocked, who forget to build workers.

so, every single player who didn't win GSL last season?

enykie

Germany64 Posts

January 28 2011 12:00 GMT

#120

evolution chamber says: 11:08 with no queens for zerg (after about 2 hours of checking)