EPTI'll admit I didn't play perfectly, but he basically did, IMO. Here's the replay, if you want to check it out.
http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/128899-1v1-terran-protoss-shakuras-plateau
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Shron
United States162 Posts
I'll admit I didn't play perfectly, but he basically did, IMO. Here's the replay, if you want to check it out. http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/128899-1v1-terran-protoss-shakuras-plateau | ||
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QQmonster
Canada240 Posts
defend your collosi with stalkers, when you get into a big confrontation you cant prevent them from dying so just make them useful in the time you have (its not like the terrans army is going to unsiege and run away after killing your collosi lololo) | ||
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Raiznhell
Canada786 Posts
On January 21 2011 10:25 Salv wrote: So what is the consensus among you Terrans about what us Protoss need to do? Are colossi, HT, gateway units to way to go here? Just play solid, go a little bit heavier on the zlots than you normally would but they won't count for anything if you don't find a good position to engage from. Clumped zlots against hellions/tank is wasted money. The only composition I wouldn't do is mass blink stalker. Protoss's think blink stalkers are godly and if you have it researched there's situations where it's exploitable sure but Blink Stalkers are extremely easy to stop and usually will only work if the Terran is super sloppy. Otherwise just be solid with your macro because Mech is usually going for a macro game rather than a quick 15 minute game. | ||
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Blyadischa
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Tacocat
United States34 Posts
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Shron
United States162 Posts
On January 21 2011 14:11 Blyadischa wrote: I think to beat mech all you have to do is out expand, harass a lot, barely hold mech pushes, then get HT/Carrier, with emphasis on the carriers. Oh, that's all you have to do? Happy day! | ||
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Soulish
Canada1403 Posts
On December 30 2010 17:34 QQmonster wrote: if the protoss blinks fast he can get up the shelf with an observer spotting through a turret. If he does this he's committing a chunk of troops to your base though, just trap them with siege tanks and minimize your losses then your push will be that much stronger. hes not committing because he can just blink back down? logic fail. | ||
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LHUCKS1
United States43 Posts
On January 19 2011 10:27 GinDo wrote: What do you think? Personally i find these compositions viable. Yes its harder then Bio, but i believe it is necessary to learn in order to compete with Protoss L8 game. This is not to say one can't open 3rax/2rax bio and transition into Mech/BioMech. You don't have to open straight Mech. Agreed, I'm winning a lot with mech, but I'm starting to transition to more of an even bio/mech midgame...it's very difficult to put early pressure on Toss with a straight mech build...good Toss will drop on you and take advantage before you have the critical mass of tanks that are needed. | ||
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terranghost
United States980 Posts
On January 22 2011 05:02 Soulish wrote: hes not committing because he can just blink back down? logic fail. I think what he is saying is it depends on where the terran army is. If the turrets are on the edge the first stalker will blink in after the observer dies. which provides vision for the rest of them. Unless this is the first time you have used blink the terran should know you have it. So when he sees stalkers moving he leaves the most recent production cycle of tanks behind and retreats a few and you start massacring the stalkers as they blink up. Sure you can blink back down but that does take time if they terran player notices you going for blink into the main strategy he can easily prepare an ambush. Like I said at the beginning this is total dependent on where the terran and protoss armies are when the protoss decides to go for this. Also keep in mind if you decide to go for a massive blink in strategy that means air units and stalkers is all the harass can contain a couple of tanks and a raven or 2 work very well against this. | ||
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QQmonster
Canada240 Posts
On January 22 2011 05:02 Soulish wrote: hes not committing because he can just blink back down? logic fail. blink has a cooldown time, and also if i position my tanks outside my base and some inside then even if he does blink down hes only blinking down into tank fire... if i have tanks near my base this is a dumb move unless youre trying to free up supply. if my army is across the map then you dont even need to blink in, you could just walk up the ramp. | ||
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Pulimuli
Sweden2766 Posts
http://www.gamereplays.org/starcraft2/replays.php?game=33&show=details&id=183369 aslo Me vs AceHigh on Lost Temple: http://www.gamereplays.org/starcraft2/replays.php?game=33&show=details&id=183532 | ||
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Raiznhell
Canada786 Posts
On January 24 2011 08:05 Pulimuli wrote: Me vs rANDY on Delta Quadrant where i use mech: http://www.gamereplays.org/starcraft2/replays.php?game=33&show=details&id=183369 aslo Me vs AceHigh on Lost Temple: http://www.gamereplays.org/starcraft2/replays.php?game=33&show=details&id=183532 nvm figured out the issue XD | ||
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Raiznhell
Canada786 Posts
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darkzuka
Peru88 Posts
1. Is there a big diference on my economy betwen 1 rax(reactor) FE or 1/1/1 FE??, cuz when i get the first one the protoss contains me, but when i do the second the protoss do a FE, so i do lost the advantage. 2. Usually when i get mech, everything its pretty cool, until the protoss get a 3 expo, and then for me its too hard to move out and take a third, what i shoult do?? its pretty hard on big maps like shakuras 3. What about upgrades?? what are esencials? *Sorry for the bad english :3!!!! and ty | ||
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Raiznhell
Canada786 Posts
I find that i can get a really fast mass of units with the 1 rax FE and it counters the fact that Protoss consistently 1 base for a long time. It was very rare that a Protoss would expand faster than me and in such cases I wouldn't alter my plan much it would just be slightly harder in the engagements. If they went nexus first though you could easily bunker rush them after getting your barracks. But there are many other builds you can do other than 1 Rax FE and 1/1/1, as long as the opening gains you something and you transition into making a bunch of factories your pretty much set. Pick an opening which suits your style. I should really start playing again and get into Masters because I'm not far off and because I here a lot of people are doing more macro builds and I want to test out a 1 fact double expand using spread out hellions and bunkered marines similar to how BoxeR use to use vultures with spider mines when double expanding in BW and then churning out a ton of Mech really fast. I'd actually suggest trying to double expand if Toss goes Nexus first. | ||
SheaR619
United States2399 Posts
On February 12 2011 02:54 darkzuka wrote: Great! post ever! but i have some issues :C 1. Is there a big diference on my economy betwen 1 rax(reactor) FE or 1/1/1 FE??, cuz when i get the first one the protoss contains me, but when i do the second the protoss do a FE, so i do lost the advantage. 2. Usually when i get mech, everything its pretty cool, until the protoss get a 3 expo, and then for me its too hard to move out and take a third, what i shoult do?? its pretty hard on big maps like shakuras 3. What about upgrades?? what are esencials? *Sorry for the bad english :3!!!! and ty You should be able to hold off any sort of aggression with 1 rax(reactor) FE. Just need to have good scouting and seeing if the toss is expanding or not. So wat if he contains you? just slowly push out with tanks and scoot him out of there and force an engagement in a favorable position. I perfer this over 1/1/1 (FE? cant really fast expand if you go 1/1/1) since you get your expansion wayyyy faster. Usually people who go 1/1/1 are generally teching to something and will be investing money into that so they wont have time to expand. Its kinda hard to go mech on 1 base so i generally 1 rax reactor expand if i see fast fast fast aggression i just pop down a bunker and is safe. When FE, you must learn how to defend any sort of early aggression since you are giving them pure map control. Try to take a third where you can easily push to his base. So it is easyer to defend. 3. Getting +1 attack will make your tank be able to 3 shot stalkers instead of 4. That is only if he doesnt have +1 armor. If you get +2 it wll always be 3 shot on stalkers. | ||
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Raiznhell
Canada786 Posts
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BatCat
Austria630 Posts
and although the scary Toss push earlygame nearly killed me (fortunately my hellions could harass his eco to even things out), I got to 200/200 eventually. So I moved out with mech+ghosts and got crushed and I don't really understand why. I think it was maybe the upgrades? That lost me the game, although I feel like it wouldn't have made much of a difference. Or is it just that you need to deal more with Immortals specifically, like with 250mm cannons or Yamato? Thanks for your feedback. | ||
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Nuck
Canada25 Posts
You shouldn't have problems with immortals using this build because your tank count is pretty high. The only time immortals could hurt you is early game with a 3 gate robo build. | ||
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ArKais
United States10 Posts
I main as Protoss. My build starts at a norm 9pylon. Then I go for gas, and send out a scout beforethe pylon is done. With this probe, I take one, or both enemy gasses, which in my experiance, (aga ai n, not much of that) effectively stops a faster mech build. I've won 9/11 of my last games. If im horably wrong, please tell me. Im all about learning.  EDIT: sorry about any mispellings. Im usimg the Beta TL Android App. | ||
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