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Regentropfen
Germany277 Posts
On December 30 2010 16:51 FlyingZergling wrote: [...] you're free to micro everything else as needed and lord knows you have to if you want the the other 3/4 of your zerglings to do something besides dry hump each other or perform the "spiral dance" when they attack [...] | ||
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KawasakiJ
South Africa58 Posts
Broods are expensive for a reason! I feel they are used best attacking a base from the outskirts accompanied by an af. In open field play I would accompany them with infestors if playing toss...purely for blink stalkers. vs thors / marines / hydras you need to outflank them...which is always possible as broods fly. | ||
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Kornholi0
Canada634 Posts
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BEWT
United States7 Posts
Broodlords are insanely powerful late game units. Actually they might be the most powerful unit in the entire game (not saying they're op). | ||
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BrotherBax
United Kingdom89 Posts
Another note is the dreaded broodlord/ultra tech switch if the terran ever over invests in vikings in an attempt to kill the broodlords. Coincidently they share the same ground upgrades which is just handy. | ||
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Paradice
New Zealand431 Posts
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hun13
55 Posts
Ill sum it up here for future searches by other players. 1.) If using the standard roach hydra force be aware of the fact that broodlords benfit from the "melee upgrade", start getting that if you think your going to use broods late game. This also benefits a tech switch to the ultra 2.) Broods are NOT cost effective, and they are not ment to be just like most late tier units. They are food effective however and allow for a more maximized force at pop cap 3.) Broods should be looked at like a siege tanks. dont try to micro them instead Micro around them and abuse the long range + free units that generate from them. Alone or poorly supported they die super easy. 4.) The Broodlings fired from Broods will block pathing once on the ground just like zerglings, this can help bolsters zergs "swarm mechanic". 5.) Understand 1 - 4 and dont just get Broods expecting a free win, use them correctly. If a job would be better dont by another unit, then use the other unit.(like mutas for base harass) | ||
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k43r
Poland112 Posts
edit: Flying zergling should be nominated for post of a month. | ||
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Penatronic
150 Posts
On December 30 2010 16:42 MUirbeqU wrote: Low tier units should always be more cost effective than high tier units in pretty much every RTS ignoring counters. Marines, zealots, and lings are probably the most cost effective units in the game. High tier units are more food effective generally and suffer less from diminishing returns. This. If you compared every unit on a dps basis with marines you'd think a lot of units sucked. Do this same analysis for bcs or carriers and you'll find similar results. They are only cost effective when they don't die, which all 3 of those units are great at not dying. More practically, broodlords rape the shit out of almost any ground unit. It sounds like stalker or hydra or marine should easily counter broodlords, but they don't. If you keep them at range and have that hydra/ling support (you should never have broodlords without cracklings...awesome t3 mineral dump) marines or hydra or stalkers are going to get raped to pieces. Whenever I have BL I get giddy when I see marines, it means I'm about to kill a ton of marines for free. While Vikings do counter broodlords very hard (and corruptors), that's really the only Terran unit excluding the BC that beats a broodlord... So take advantage of morphing 8 outside their door then knocking hard. | ||
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shadymmj
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kr_priest
Korea (South)223 Posts
Speaking as a Terran, I almost never see broodlords in my games, although I wish I did instead of the same banelings, lings, roaches, mutas which comprise of 90% of my games. | ||
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rockslave
Brazil318 Posts
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QuantumTheory
New Zealand188 Posts
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onmach
United States1241 Posts
You get the broods, you make like 4, not 12, not 8, just 4. You put them in a hard to snipe position like over a cliff on lost temple to snipe their nat, and they force the other person to make a bunch of crap that is useless against the rest of your army, or to sit there and micro stalkers trying to damage them and lose a bunch of them in the process while you are rebuilding the rest of your army. If you put one behind a mineral line, all those workers have to be pulled or they will die, and that lost income will cost him the game. Another situation I use them in is if I'm facing a maxxed marine/tank army that is slow pushing. I sac a bunch of units and just build corruptors/brood lords and then I slow push across the map and he just outright loses because I can hold off the small number of vikings he will build with just the right amount of corruptors. Also upgrades play such a huge roll in brood lord play. If you have no melee attack and your opponent is +2 armour, they do squat. This needs to be taken into account before you consider using them. Those broodlings only do 4 damage per hit and they come out late game, so upgrades are so utterly crucial and I see so many people ignore this issue when they employ them. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44030 Posts
We can end the thread here. | ||
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Iamyournoob
Germany595 Posts
On December 31 2010 00:07 onmach wrote: I don't agree with people that broods are meant to be used in a big army ball. They are okay in that position if you have a ton of anti air, but I personally prefer to use them for harassment of expansions. Not planetary fortresses, but every other kind of expansion. If you put them off the edge of a base out in the air, they cannot retaliate effectively until they have air units. For terran that means you have about a minute and a half to do damage before the viking count gets high. For protoss it means you're probably going to outright destroy their expansion before they can do anything about it. You get the broods, you make like 4, not 12, not 8, just 4. You put them in a hard to snipe position like over a cliff on lost temple to snipe their nat, and they force the other person to make a bunch of crap that is useless against the rest of your army, or to sit there and micro stalkers trying to damage them and lose a bunch of them in the process while you are rebuilding the rest of your army. If you put one behind a mineral line, all those workers have to be pulled or they will die, and that lost income will cost him the game. Another situation I use them in is if I'm facing a maxxed marine/tank army that is slow pushing. I sac a bunch of units and just build corruptors/brood lords and then I slow push across the map and he just outright loses because I can hold off the small number of vikings he will build with just the right amount of corruptors. Also upgrades play such a huge roll in brood lord play. If you have no melee attack and your opponent is +2 armour, they do squat. This needs to be taken into account before you consider using them. Those broodlings only do 4 damage per hit and they come out late game, so upgrades are so utterly crucial and I see so many people ignore this issue when they employ them. Did you read FlyingZerlings post? If i was to describe a good harassment unit, I'd say a key trait would be that it is very mobile, can engage and retreat very quickly and thus hit an enemy at different locations. Now Broodlords are probably none of this. The only mobility they have is the fact that they can fly. But if you are laying siege to an expansion with your broodlords, your enemy can basically just push your main army and will probably win or he just kills your broodlords if you don't back them up. Protosses will have air agaisnt Zerg anyways, Voidrays are awesome when mixed in a core army and ONE VR counters 4 BLs. And if a Terran spots your Broodlords he can build 4 vikings and have them snipe BLs whenever you attempt to harass with them. | ||
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Khaladas
United States223 Posts
Try hydra/ling into BL some time vs protoss. | ||
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onmach
United States1241 Posts
My definition of a harass unit is one that you can send out in small numbers to cause major damage compared to their cost. Fast is just a trait that most harassing units have, but broodlords more than qualify. You morph the spire, you make some corruptors, you beeline the corruptors to where they can do damage and then morph them. They hit places your troops can't, because of tanks, cannons, turrets, or a wall in, and even if they don't break it, it gives you time to do things, expand, make units or finish tech, chances for tanks to unseige, buildings to lift off, templar to die, probes to be pulled off, or even nexuses sniped. And then they die, but you only lost a little bit of gas for it, and the alternative was making a monstrous army and smashing it into, at best, another big ball, at worst, an entrenched position. | ||
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Mr_Kyo
United States269 Posts
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shucklesors
Singapore1176 Posts
Also, remember. When the broodling spawns it is immediately targeted, making 'attack-move' a deathwish against an army with composition involving broodlords. And I just love a very fortified sieged tank line. A single broodlord shot on a huge bunch of grouped up marines near the tank line can end up having 6 or 7 die. The broodlings are like bombs, lol. | ||
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