EPTOn November 28 2010 20:09 Maicro wrote:
Can any of these fend off a 6 pool?
Can any of these fend off a 6 pool?
Maps such as steppes of war is crucial with 6 pools
[G] ZvZ - 3 different builds - Page 2
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SoftSoap
United States170 Posts
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OrcaMOrciM
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Kelsin
United States253 Posts
On November 29 2010 11:26 OrcaMOrciM wrote: sweet, now if you could do the z v p and z v t vods too that would be awesome Look through MrBitter's other VoD's on UStream. He has a PvT and PvP with Machine up there as well as some lessons with InControl. All excellent. | ||
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FluidTek
Australia50 Posts
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zergules
United States55 Posts
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cHaNg-sTa
United States1058 Posts
EDIT: It seems that 15hatch vs. 15hatch is the most complicated BO MU which is no surprise. I'm probably gonna do a lot of practice in this area. Are there replays of these available? I'm interested to see Machine's POV for this. | ||
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AmaZing
Nepal299 Posts
On November 28 2010 20:32 Madkipz wrote: anyone that has good drone micro can fend off a 6 pool That means a very few people at dream hack xD ACTION JESUS!! but yea ty for the post. I personally freestyle like a noob when i spawn a zvz, i guess its time to make an effort to learn it  | ||
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Cyber_Cheese
Australia3615 Posts
any chance you want to do that for ZvT and ZvP? | ||
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decaf
Austria1797 Posts
Btw, there already is a real great guide about ZvP. GSL time now.. | ||
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mKw
Denmark33 Posts
Example: i played a ZvZ some1 went mass roaches on one base. scouted it as i started speed and just expanded and mass speedlings and raped. If hed gone baneling then id have been fucked but then u just gotta go roaches :D great rock paper scissors match up tbh until some1 get mutas hehe. | ||
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MrBitter
United States2940 Posts
Kudos for take'n the time to write this down. Glad peeps are learning from these VODs. Be sure to tune in for iNcontroL Tuesday night!  I'm so shameless with my plugs. On November 29 2010 14:48 cHaNg-sTa wrote: Are there replays of these available? I'm interested to see Machine's POV for this. I very intentionally did not save any of the Machine reps from these sessions. He's already more or less told us exactly how we should approach each matchup... Piling reps on top of that, in my opinion, is a little bit more than I think we're entitled to. All the info we need (and much more) is in the VODs. | ||
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Skully_eu
Netherlands6 Posts
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kko
Germany7 Posts
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decaf
Austria1797 Posts
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teh_longinator
Canada725 Posts
On November 29 2010 22:26 Skully_eu wrote: I'm definatly going to practise these builds when I get home tonight. I think atm I loose 75% of my ZvZ matches, becouse I just do a kinda freestyle build in ZvZ and have no real plan actually. I'd love to be able to go home and work on these three builds, but I don't get to play until at least Wednesday -_-... I hate school! On an actual note, this is an awesome post, and a great deal of help to us Zergs who have problems actually winning in a ZvZ... as it stands, I either use Dimaga's Mass-ling build, or just Mass Roach and hope for the best. I haven't won a game in sooooo long  | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On November 28 2010 22:02 ktimekiller wrote: I certainly like the roach and bling, but the expand confuses me How do you survive with 0 lings with 15 hatch 15 pool until 20+ food? any 12-14 pool that pops with 6 lings at once will likely insta kill you By scouting his base (so that you know you need to not spend larva on drones while your pool is finishing) + kiting the lings until yours are out. You have more larva than he does, so once your pool is done (14 pool vs 14 hatch, your pool will finish shortly after he arrives at your base.) , he can't outproduce you on lings, and you can afford to lose a few drones in pushing him out. | ||
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pheno
Germany33 Posts
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AnodyneSea
Jamaica757 Posts
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Floydian
United Kingdom374 Posts
Thanks a lot for this post, I always sigh when I get another z on my loading screen, as it's pretty much a guaranteed loss for me. I really just don't seem to get it. | ||
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Snuggles
United States1865 Posts
On November 28 2010 21:38 Sclol wrote: i play sling only with a more or less fast +1 and expand at ~20 and i'm doing really well... i can fend off ling bling and roach and roach baneling I haven't lost a single game doing that =P. Like literally you can just make nothing but slings after 2 - 3 drones and overwhelm you opponent because they think you're going for a long macro game. And for the bastards that do a big roach rush, just putting down some spinecrawlers leaves em to scratch their asses. Either that or make roaches too, and don't stop making roaches. Because people just love to send an endless stream of units to your base hoping to break you because naturally when you go to expand you want to make drones. It seriously becomes a 1 saturated base vs 1 saturate base + auxiliary hatch war, so dumb =_=. But it feels good when you can see your opponent getting flustered and pulling back to set up his own hatch, and just losing the game. | ||
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