EPTPvT - Hallucinate vs PDD, Terran Raven pushes - Page 2
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ExO_
United States2316 Posts
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gnutz
Germany666 Posts
On November 22 2010 07:22 sleepingdog wrote: Highly doubtful since this has been known for...well, I think the first time I read about this here was two months ago To cut the long story short: not worth it - it's not about hallucination, it's about sentries and their energy. You need to first tech hallucination, second build many sentries early enough to build up energy and third use the sentry-energy only for hallucinating stuff and not for forcefields/guardian shield. It seems like not many people knew this. But you need to test whats more worth it: researching hallucinations and +1 gateway for sentries or a starport for phoenixes to deal with these raven pushes. | ||
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Reborn8u
United States1761 Posts
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Parra
United States152 Posts
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ExO_
United States2316 Posts
On November 22 2010 07:28 gnutz wrote: It seems like not many people knew this. But you need to test whats more worth it: researching hallucinations and +1 gateway for sentries or a starport for phoenixes to deal with these raven pushes. it's not entirely comparable. Hallucination costs 100/100 and synergies with a unit that (most of the time) you'll already be building. If you want to include the cost of another gateway, thats 250/100. A stargate is 150/100 then 150/100 per phoenix. If you are facing banshee heavy play, then perhaps it'll be more valuable to invest into phoenix, but if you are holding off an MMM/Raven push with maybe 1-2 banshees then its by far more cost efficient to use hallucinated phoenixes. | ||
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HocusPocus
Germany214 Posts
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Darkstar_X
United States197 Posts
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EntertainMe
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1. Hallucinated Phoenix are the best of absorb PDD. (Shown in one of the qualifier game) 2. Hallucinated Phoenix are good meatshield vs vikings. (Same game, just later stage, protoss goes typical collosi ball while t gets MM, Viking, Raven. Toss used 4-5 hallucinated phoenix to abuse/soak up the slow attacks of Vikings, instead of collosi being hit, and also to nullify PDD used by terran). Its ok strategy. But at this stage, toss already won long before. Its just a fancy move not that cost effective. | ||
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freetgy
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sikyon
Canada1045 Posts
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Stationary
Sweden22 Posts
On November 22 2010 07:14 T0fuuu wrote: Isnt the raven a DETECTOR though? So wont terran units know they are hallucinations and wont shoot them? Yes but that's not the point. The PDD ai still burns energy on the fake-phoenixes shots even if he has a raven there to detect that they're hallucinations. That is the point. | ||
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red_hq
Canada450 Posts
It works 100% hallued phoenix attacking the raven that created the PDD drains the PDD energy, obviously within the PDD range. So even if they know its hallus the PDD drains its energy on the hallus. Great find. | ||
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IAttackYou
United States330 Posts
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Fharoc
Canada32 Posts
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Stijn
Netherlands363 Posts
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GoldenH
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FuzzyLord
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Jayrod
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Stationary
Sweden22 Posts
On November 22 2010 11:00 FuzzyLord wrote: By the time your enemy has 3 ravens, you should already have a decent amount of stalkers to make the PDD almost useless. I would say using sentries for GS and FF is a lot better. Yeah but 3 ravens was more of a demonstration. Personally I think 100/100 is worth nullfying 1 or 2 PDD's On November 22 2010 11:11 Jayrod wrote: fyi, if you choose to hallucinate the stalker it makes 2 stalkers for one hallucinate, this is probably better than using phoenix that they know are fake Personally I don't agree, the phoenix have 2 projectiles(?) or at least fires a lot faster, and don't block my concave like some hallucinated stalkers would, but thats just my opinion. | ||
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EyMiller245
United States45 Posts
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