TvP the new way! - Page 5

On October 30 2010 04:57 Zarahtra wrote:

On the other hand I'd assume when you get a ball of Thors, they become more effective whilst the VRs become less so, due to splash. So either the VRs are forced to somewhat spread out, making it easier for the rines to get in range of them or face splash, which given enough thors would hurt. I mean after patch, a VR kills a thor taking ~50 hull dmg, but if each thor hits at least 2 VRs, I'd assume they'd be pretty cost effective.

In any case, not opening robo is quite close to suicide vs a 1/1/1, so stargate play I'd assume is even more risky than this build might be.

Are you freaking joking me?

Just watched the two new replays.

A few things.

1. These were custom games. I would like to see it in action vs random people in Matchmaking. Otherwise, you've gotten me thoroughly convinced that these matches were set-up.

2. What is up with both Protoss going so heavy on Zealots/Templars. Templars are nice to have vs anyone, but going so heavy on Templars is useless because of EMP. The Zealots either could've done more but weren't properly micro'ed or were just useless in a lot of the situations. There was even one time when after a battle, NYD warps in enough Zealots to kill the remaining Thors, but decides to run his Zealots passed the Thors instead and get turned into dust. In the game against BigBadWeaver or whatever, he didn't even upgrade at all, and kept DT harassing. If he had just attacked with those DTs along with his forces, he would've won. He had enough DTs to do that much damage, you might not have even noticed the DTs until it was too late. And he kept using the DTs to attack the Thors instead of the Marines.

Any good player will watch those replays will be like WTF?

Last edit: 2010-10-30 09:01:58
Are you just trying to get a strategy named after yourself?

jemag, can you (or one of those practice partners) try to play against this thor/marine but do this: Make 3 robos and pump colossi with the intention of having at least the same amount as he has thors if not more. The rest should be zealots/chargelots or stalkers if he starts getting vikings. Engage him somewhere close to his base and/or far from yours. As soon as all of the zealots die just retreat and rebuild them at home. He shouldn't be able to survive a couple of those trades, but who knows.

I am curious how will the strat fare against such play.

I really like how people are against this build without testing it themselves. Reminds me of kcdc's thread for 1gate FE as toss where everyone exclaimed that it wasn't possible (and now we see HuK using it as standard)

Claiming the replays are setup? What kind of stupid response is that, i'm sure he is setting up replays and writing long responses so that he can fool us into thinking his strategy is good... idiot

jemag, thanks for your effort in this guide and strategy i definitely like the idea of using thors more in this matchup and was looking for a way to go into macro situations with protoss and come out on top without being forced to be overly aggressive in order to stay in it with low-tech units.

I merely asked you try this against the general population. If it works, great. Like i said... as a twrran player it would be nice to have different options against protoss. In just not convinced it would work and doing it custom games against people you know doesn't really prove anything to me. I could try it myself but if it fails obviously it'll be because im not good with the build. If you could post like 2 or 3 replays from matchmaking that would be great.