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Planetary Fortress Rush - Is it Viable #3 - Page 2

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youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
October 15 2010 04:38 GMT
#21
Oh Plexa, you and your silly builds.

I would have thought a few Immortals and Zealots would take this thing out, no problem.
lalala
Yaotzin
Profile Joined August 2010
South Africa4280 Posts
October 15 2010 04:44 GMT
#22
Sounds like another excuse to open stargate to me!
kzn
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States1218 Posts
October 15 2010 04:48 GMT
#23
Can't you just deny the proxy? Put a probe on his scout scv permanently, which renders that SCV unable to build until it gets help, and then watch for another pulled SCV and follow that.
Like a G6
EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
October 15 2010 05:47 GMT
#24
On October 15 2010 13:48 kzn wrote:
Can't you just deny the proxy? Put a probe on his scout scv permanently, which renders that SCV unable to build until it gets help, and then watch for another pulled SCV and follow that.


They don't build the cc in your base.
Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
October 15 2010 09:10 GMT
#25
Nice read. Thanks for the build. I'll try it on ladder if my opponent goes fast Nexus :D
Plexa rocks as normal :D!!
Terran
slained
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada966 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-15 09:23:22
October 15 2010 09:22 GMT
#26
Corinthos tried it on my FE build, I didn't find any problem at all if you balance your attention and judge, usually the terran pressure is not nearly deadly enough. I just found it weird for him to push with mnm against a FE build so late and decided to just make a lot of units lol.

http://topreplays.com/Replays/Details/2059/SlaineD_vs_Corinthos
kcdc
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2311 Posts
October 15 2010 17:29 GMT
#27
FWIW, I just ran into Corinthos on ladder. I expected PF rush and I'm sure he expected 1-gate FE, and we both obliged each other's expectations. It wasn't a perfect experiment by any means given that we both had a good idea from the start what was coming, but it works as a data point. Also, he said he messed up the build order between engineering bay and CC which probably slowed him down ~15-30 seconds. Anyway, I had spotter pylons (which I always try to do anyway, but this time there was no chance I'd forget), saw the CC floating in and blocked it w/ probes while killing his MM push w/ zealot/stalker. The rush was easily deflected.

Replay if anyone's interested:

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spearofsolomon
Profile Joined October 2010
United States7 Posts
October 15 2010 22:46 GMT
#28
Plexa, what do you think about using the PF at the expo instead of the main? Is that too much of an investment to just deny him an expo?
kzn
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States1218 Posts
October 16 2010 00:26 GMT
#29
On October 15 2010 14:47 EtherealDeath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2010 13:48 kzn wrote:
Can't you just deny the proxy? Put a probe on his scout scv permanently, which renders that SCV unable to build until it gets help, and then watch for another pulled SCV and follow that.


They don't build the cc in your base.


Uh, that doesn't matter?
Like a G6
SkyFrostSalvo
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16 Posts
October 16 2010 01:13 GMT
#30
It should be mentioned that the 5 loaded SCVs are a good way to eliminate/chase away the blocking probe, provided the army is engaged elsewhere.
N'est absente que toi!
kcdc
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2311 Posts
October 16 2010 15:10 GMT
#31
On October 16 2010 10:13 SkyFrostSalvo wrote:
It should be mentioned that the 5 loaded SCVs are a good way to eliminate/chase away the blocking probe, provided the army is engaged elsewhere.


I pulled ~5 probes to block in case that happened. P can always use more probes if it comes to worker fights.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-16 23:48:05
October 16 2010 23:46 GMT
#32
On October 16 2010 09:26 kzn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2010 14:47 EtherealDeath wrote:
On October 15 2010 13:48 kzn wrote:
Can't you just deny the proxy? Put a probe on his scout scv permanently, which renders that SCV unable to build until it gets help, and then watch for another pulled SCV and follow that.


They don't build the cc in your base.


Uh, that doesn't matter?

Erm, unless you have maphack, lots of luck, or really damn good scouting skills, yes it does.
The CC should be proxied, meaning you usually won't see it being built. Either that or it's built as if it were an expansion CC.
Even if you continuously follow his scv scout it's not that big a deal for the Terran to either kill that probe following the scv with a marine or to simply send out a different scv while you're distracted or something.
This build is certainly stoppable, though.
kzn
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States1218 Posts
October 16 2010 23:47 GMT
#33
On October 17 2010 08:46 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2010 09:26 kzn wrote:
On October 15 2010 14:47 EtherealDeath wrote:
On October 15 2010 13:48 kzn wrote:
Can't you just deny the proxy? Put a probe on his scout scv permanently, which renders that SCV unable to build until it gets help, and then watch for another pulled SCV and follow that.


They don't build the cc in your base.


Uh, that doesn't matter?

Erm, unless you have maphack, lots of luck, or really damn good scouting skills, yes it does.
The CC should be proxied, meaning you usually won't see it being built. Either that or it's built as if it were an expansion CC.


If you just put a probe on his scouting SCV and park your scout probe outside his ramp, he has to fight off your scout probe and then pull a second SCV from his base to build a proxy cc, or force your probe off of his scout. There's no rule that says you cant follow their SCV forever.
Like a G6
ChickenLips
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
2912 Posts
October 16 2010 23:55 GMT
#34
Or you know the Protoss could just not be stupid and select a single probe, right click it on the CC that is indicated by the big fat colored blob on his mini map to prevent it from landing and focus on holding the ramp, which is easily doable with almost all builds vs 2 rax pressure.

I love these Is it viables but I really wish you'd focus on stuff that cannot be countered by friggin monkey playing for the first time in his life.
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TRAP[yoo]
Profile Joined December 2009
Hungary6026 Posts
October 17 2010 19:30 GMT
#35
yeah right...lyn is so bad i cannot desribe it...

i love the is it viable series keep on doing it!!
FTD
edepot
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7 Posts
November 25 2010 16:07 GMT
#36
Ok I have viewed this thread and found that it DOES NOT take into consideration of a FAST RUSH PF. We are talking rushing with it, not as a proxy somewhere.

http://www.edepot.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=7

Look at above for the replay with 4 minutes 30 seconds rush. That is the time you LAND the CC on his base.
SCdinner
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada516 Posts
November 25 2010 17:12 GMT
#37
Very interesting, good read. So this build is kind of rock paper scissors and sucess depends on what the oppenent does? Is there any ways to use an offensive PF build against other races than protoss? Is the timing too late to have a command center landed close enough to a zerg expo?
My other car is a battlecruiser.
clickrush
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Switzerland3257 Posts
November 25 2010 17:51 GMT
#38
the rush you figured out is no doubt funny and certainly effective against a FEing protoss. so solely for you theory (is it viable?) it works.

but the problem I have with it: I believe there are at least 1-2 strategies that are way more solid than this to prevent a FE. Why?

FEing protoss count on their sentrys. They mix in either stalkers or immortals (1gate robo). either way: If you 3rax pressure with MMG then you kill him AND have decent tech. In my practice against T I we figured out that this attack is safe against any shenanigans P has, to kill T early on from 4gate to voidrays to DTs + it kills an FE + you can get a lucky EMP on sentrys even if hes 1 basing "safely" behind his ramp.

qxy even pulled off a win with mass reapers against stalkers.

this PL build and anything else only shows one thing: you cannot FE with P in this MU if your not 100% certain that T is FEing.
oGsMC: Zealot defense, Stalker attack, Sentry forcefieldu forcefieldu, Marauder die die
Tsabo
Profile Joined September 2010
Russian Federation266 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-25 18:28:12
November 25 2010 18:27 GMT
#39
On October 17 2010 08:47 kzn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2010 08:46 Ryuu314 wrote:
On October 16 2010 09:26 kzn wrote:
On October 15 2010 14:47 EtherealDeath wrote:
On October 15 2010 13:48 kzn wrote:
Can't you just deny the proxy? Put a probe on his scout scv permanently, which renders that SCV unable to build until it gets help, and then watch for another pulled SCV and follow that.


They don't build the cc in your base.


Uh, that doesn't matter?

Erm, unless you have maphack, lots of luck, or really damn good scouting skills, yes it does.
The CC should be proxied, meaning you usually won't see it being built. Either that or it's built as if it were an expansion CC.


If you just put a probe on his scouting SCV and park your scout probe outside his ramp, he has to fight off your scout probe and then pull a second SCV from his base to build a proxy cc, or force your probe off of his scout. There's no rule that says you cant follow their SCV forever.


Or he can just kill your scouting probe with his first marine and proceed to proxy the CC. Geez
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
November 25 2010 18:42 GMT
#40
First of, thanks for the shoutout. As for the build TheStC uses. I can't really say much about it, but it shouldw ork similar to the 3 Rax Dropship play build DemusliM and most other Terrans used a while ago.

You can put immense pressure from the front and harass in the back - with the different that a command center certainly is not a medivac - so I think it could work out pretty okay. I really need to try it against a good protoss. If you want we can try it out.
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