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Now I know people always say don't let it get there and "lings make thors waster their shots", but the truth is there will be instances in which you will face mass thors and I'm talkin about 10+ Thors with a few hellions. Ultralisks are terrible at this because they die before they even get to the Thor (which is why I don't understand the nerf) and lings can't get the surround fast enough and also die rather quickly to hellions and are 1 shotted my thors.
So would Brood Lords be your only option? And how would they fare? From my understanding Thors are quite good against them as well.
EDIT: These are my out comes from the unit tester:
The amount of thors used in each situation was 20(120 supply) and the zerg army consisted of one unit type that was massed untill one of the thors requirements was met(mineral cost, gas cost, or supply cost) I'm not giving the exact amount but just a general outcome
Lings are terrible against mass thors unless they are fully upgraded and the thors are not.
Roaches take out just over half of the thors.
Banelings do about as well as roaches do, but I think that their damage isn't as reliable as the Thors weren't spread out in this situation.
Hydralisks terrible even with concave and on creep
Mutalisks, magic box is helpful but it was never meant to be a cost effective solution; they didn't do so well(took out less then half of the thors)
Ultralisks, they did well when it was in a very open area, but once I got into a small choke, they took out about one quarter of the thors.
Brood Lords, originally they lost against the thors, taking out about half of the thors. However the second time around I split up the Brood Lords into to groups like so:
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and then just attack moved with both of them and then they took out the Thors with about only about 5 losses (16 vs 20).
I tried magic boxing but it didn't turn out so well, the Brood Lords are too slow.
Infestors with roaches was also bad, as 12 seconds per Thor is just not enough.
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On September 20 2010 05:15 hadoken5 wrote:
Now I know people always say don't let it get there and "lings make thors waster their shots", but the truth is there will be instances in which you will face mass thors and I'm talkin about 10+ Thors with a few hellions. Ultralisks are terrible at this because they die before they even get to the Thor (which is why I don't understand the nerf) and lings can't get the surround fast enough and also die rather quickly to hellions and are 1 shotted my thors.
So would Brood Lords be your only option? And how would they fare? From my understanding Thors are quite good against them as well.
Brood lords, microed mutas, or possibly roaches. The only time I've seen mass Thor, it's kinda steamrolled.
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Here, I would consider Hydralisk if there's no tanks, but you cannot count that option out.
I'd say the best way to counter this depends on positioning. If he's going mass thors, that means you've been doing 2 things : mutas harass or no aggression at all (extremely passive zerg play, only macro).
Going lings + mutas, lings to counter thors and take the hellions with mutas when they are out of position.
Or going lings + infestors (and maybe + roach /hydra/bling/anything). Infestors are good for two things : fungal hellions, or neural thors.
I guess that's the best options right now, but in fact, it all comes to positioning your lings / deal with the hellions.
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On September 20 2010 05:20 MythicalMage wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2010 05:15 hadoken5 wrote:
Now I know people always say don't let it get there and "lings make thors waster their shots", but the truth is there will be instances in which you will face mass thors and I'm talkin about 10+ Thors with a few hellions. Ultralisks are terrible at this because they die before they even get to the Thor (which is why I don't understand the nerf) and lings can't get the surround fast enough and also die rather quickly to hellions and are 1 shotted my thors.
So would Brood Lords be your only option? And how would they fare? From my understanding Thors are quite good against them as well. Brood lords, microed mutas, or possibly roaches. The only time I've seen mass Thor, it's kinda steamrolled.
Alright I'll test these all out in the unit tester. Oh and aren't you qxc's biggest fan? 
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thors suck vs broodlords. they are armored and thors do less than great dmg to armored units. also after you get 8-10 lords the thors will not even be able to advance.
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On September 20 2010 05:35 hadoken5 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2010 05:20 MythicalMage wrote:On September 20 2010 05:15 hadoken5 wrote:
Now I know people always say don't let it get there and "lings make thors waster their shots", but the truth is there will be instances in which you will face mass thors and I'm talkin about 10+ Thors with a few hellions. Ultralisks are terrible at this because they die before they even get to the Thor (which is why I don't understand the nerf) and lings can't get the surround fast enough and also die rather quickly to hellions and are 1 shotted my thors.
So would Brood Lords be your only option? And how would they fare? From my understanding Thors are quite good against them as well. Brood lords, microed mutas, or possibly roaches. The only time I've seen mass Thor, it's kinda steamrolled. Alright I'll test these all out in the unit tester. Oh and aren't you qxc's biggest fan?
Perhaps. XDDD.
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Thors quite good against brood lords? Not in my experience. Thors have a 6 x 4 air attack, range 10 on a 3 sec cool down. Brood lords have 225 hp and base 1 armor. Corruptors and BLs are air tanks, so naturally you'll want + air carapace if you're building them.
If you're matching him in resources with brood lords, just a little bit of positioning should let you win handily. If he focuses your bls, run away and re engage with more favorable positioning. If he's not microing and attacking your broodlings, then obviously you will quickly win.
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I'm confused why no one mentions infestors . If you mix 4 or 5 infestors in your muta/ling army (if he can go mass Thor, you can go muta/ling with infestor support, if not, you've already lost the game somewhere else) and use Neural Parasite to control a few of his Thors to wreck havoc while your army finishes the rest.
This seems to be the most viable option if you ask me, but perhaps it's not doable since it hasn't been mentioned before, dunno, don't play zerg, but I rarely see it used ingame as well.
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I've encountered it a few times in 4v4s and ultra ling is useless against them. Well positioned broodlords might be the best choice, and maybe burrowed roaches so you can get in position.
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On September 20 2010 05:40 Misca wrote:I'm confused why no one mentions infestors . If you mix 4 or 5 infestors in your muta/ling army (if he can go mass Thor, you can go muta/ling with infestor support, if not, you've already lost the game somewhere else) and use Neural Parasite to control a few of his Thors to wreck havoc while your army finishes the rest. This seems to be the most viable option if you ask me, but perhaps it's not doable since it hasn't been mentioned before, dunno, don't play zerg, but I rarely see it used ingame as well.
NP infestors is usually quite easy to take down, but it might be worth getting a few anyway.
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On September 20 2010 05:40 Misca wrote:I'm confused why no one mentions infestors . If you mix 4 or 5 infestors in your muta/ling army (if he can go mass Thor, you can go muta/ling with infestor support, if not, you've already lost the game somewhere else) and use Neural Parasite to control a few of his Thors to wreck havoc while your army finishes the rest. This seems to be the most viable option if you ask me, but perhaps it's not doable since it hasn't been mentioned before, dunno, don't play zerg, but I rarely see it used ingame as well.
Thors take awhile to kill so I think NP will be finished long before it's over. Could be wrong, maybe it helps swing the tide.
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On September 20 2010 05:40 Misca wrote:I'm confused why no one mentions infestors . If you mix 4 or 5 infestors in your muta/ling army (if he can go mass Thor, you can go muta/ling with infestor support, if not, you've already lost the game somewhere else) and use Neural Parasite to control a few of his Thors to wreck havoc while your army finishes the rest. This seems to be the most viable option if you ask me, but perhaps it's not doable since it hasn't been mentioned before, dunno, don't play zerg, but I rarely see it used ingame as well.
It's not really viable. I find the gas is more useful in getting more broodlords.
After thor numbers reach double digit, ultraling stop being viable because they'll die before they even reach the thors. Roaches are completely useless vs thors as even in a 1 thor vs 5 roach situation, it's barely cost effective. Once the numbers increase it's only going to be more favorable to the side with a longer range.
The only cost effective counter are broodlords, but you'll be vulnerable to a push before your greater spire is finished, which any terran will scan and do.
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Mass Roach, if you have it to spare burrow movement, unburrow in the middle of Thors so they don't die before they're even in range.
Save gas for Broodlords.
Nothing beats mass Thors cost for cost except Broodlords which is retarded ~___~
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Against only Thors, Ultras should do fine, maybe you had just a too small army... But if lots of Tanks are in the mix, Broodlords are the only way to go...
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On September 20 2010 05:51 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Mass Roach, if you have it to spare burrow movement, unburrow in the middle of Thors so they don't die before they're even in range.
Save gas for Broodlords.
Nothing beats mass Thors cost for cost except Broodlords which is retarded ~___~
In my test they did even worse when they popped beneat the Thors.
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Are brood lords really a better solution than ultralisks? Seems like in my games, I have 1 chance to push and win with broodlords. After that, he'll have 10 vikings just sniping away broodlords, or he has the option to simply not engage your extremely slow force.
I just lost to mass thor, and well, they just don't die that fast.
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Ultralisk are bad yea. I mean if he has 5 thors and you have +10 ultras then yea of course but even then only if positioning is good. But broods by far a better option.
It's a problem if he makes push with blue hellions + thors before you get to broods because you have all the gas saved up.
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Muta is a good choice, but as long as you control them properly. Use the magic box to ensure that the mutas don't clump up. If they do, splash damage will end them quickly.
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TLO style hellion/thor? just GG and save yourself the time.
i've said ti before and i'll say it again, thors are too versatile and effective, particularly when they're being repaired (aka god-mode thors).
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