ZvT mass thor counter? - Page 2

On September 20 2010 07:29 Servius_Fulvius wrote:
Muta is a good choice, but as long as you control them properly. Use the magic box to ensure that the mutas don't clump up. If they do, splash damage will end them quickly.

On September 20 2010 07:37 Numy wrote:


I find muta are quite good against naked thors but dam is it risky. One mistake from you basically ends the game since 1 clump when thor mass is beyond 4/5 means half the muta are gone. I guess that's fine for pros but man there must be a better less risky way to play vs thors.

On September 20 2010 07:44 Servius_Fulvius wrote:


It's not as risky when you use the magic box. Hotkey all the mutas and fly them to a spot. They will clump, but when the arrive at the spot let them sit and unclump. This will create a square of mutas evenly spaced out called the magic box. Right click over the group of thors. When directly overhead, press H for hold position. The mutas will keep formation thus minimizing the splash from Thors.

However, if you attack-move the mutas will clump up and get stomped.

On September 20 2010 05:15 hadoken5 wrote:
Now I know people always say don't let it get there and "lings make thors waster their shots", but the truth is there will be instances in which you will face mass thors and I'm talkin about 10+ Thors with a few hellions. Ultralisks are terrible at this because they die before they even get to the Thor (which is why I don't understand the nerf) and lings can't get the surround fast enough and also die rather quickly to hellions and are 1 shotted my thors.

So would Brood Lords be your only option? And how would they fare? From my understanding Thors are quite good against them as well.

EDIT: These are my out comes from the unit tester:
The amount of thors used in each situation was 20(120 supply) and the zerg army consisted of one unit type that was massed untill one of the thors requirements was met(mineral cost, gas cost, or supply cost) I'm not giving the exact amount but just a general outcome
Lings are terrible against mass thors unless they are fully upgraded and the thors are not.
Roaches take out just over half of the thors.
Banelings do about as well as roaches do, but I think that their damage isn't as reliable as the Thors weren't spread out in this situation.
Hydralisks terrible even with concave and on creep
Mutalisks, magic box is helpful but it was never meant to be a cost effective solution; they didn't do so well(took out less then half of the thors)
Ultralisks, they did well when it was in a very open area, but once I got into a small choke, they took out about one quarter of the thors.
Brood Lords, originally they lost against the thors, taking out about half of the thors. However the second time around I split up the Brood Lords into to groups like so:
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and then just attack moved with both of them and then they took out the Thors with about only about 5 losses (16 vs 20).
I tried magic boxing but it didn't turn out so well, the Brood Lords are too slow.

Infestors with roaches was also bad, as 12 seconds per Thor is just not enough.

On September 20 2010 06:04 hadoken5 wrote:

In my test they did even worse when they popped beneat the Thors.

On September 20 2010 05:15 hadoken5 wrote:
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I tried magic boxing but it didn't turn out so well, the Brood Lords are too slow....

On September 20 2010 09:04 McFoo wrote:
Planetary fortress + missle turrets + nearby scvs for repair = The Invicible Fortress.

On September 20 2010 07:49 AssuredVacancy wrote:

When thors get to double digit numbers mutas stop being an effective counter.

If he has 12 thors, no amount of magic box is gonna make 40 mutas kill that.