[D] ZvP - Dimaga Style - Page 8

On September 11 2010 09:44 fantomex wrote:
One thing I don't understand about this and other builds like it is it seems like you're sacrificing a lot of minerals/timing early only to pull drones off gas later. If you aren't going to get speed until after the expansion, why not build refinery later or only put 1 drone on it.

On September 11 2010 08:35 Vaporized wrote:
what do you guys do if you scout starports? this is the one drawback. at my level (im like 5th in my plat division) void rays are fairly common (1 in 3 or 4 toss i play goes vr). What is the correct response? especially if i was trying to do this ling heavy dimaga build. if i want to tech switch to air i think mutas are better against vr then corrupter right?

One problem i have is not scouting this early enough. but sometimes i do scout it in what seems like a reasonable amount of time and i still get crushed.

edit: one thing i could do is send my lings to his base when i see vr's coming.

On September 11 2010 09:48 sixghost wrote:

What? It's a regular 14/14 with speed as soon as you have 100 gas.


If you haven't scouted the stargates but just want to be relatively safe vs them, just get a 3rd/4th queen when you can afford it. If you're 100% sure it's 2stargates just throw down a hydra den and play from there.

On September 13 2010 07:11 sooch wrote:
I've been 4gated a couple times now, while trying to execute this build and...I'm not sure it can reliably hold 4gate. It certainly doesn't "crush" 4gate, especially if he manages to get to your ramp to cut off your reinforcement lings. 4gate comes slightly before you get the #s of lings you want, generally I have something like 25 or so when the proxy pylon goes down. Then I'm in the difficult position of a) waiting until I get more lings and engaging at my base where I have a crawler or 2 OR b) going in with suboptimal #s of lings in hopes of killing the initial force and the pylon before he can start reinforcing. +1 melee finishes in time for 4 gate, easily. But it is still really, really scary and out of 10 games I'm not sure I could defend 4gate with this build more than 5 of those games.

On September 11 2010 06:53 MrBitter wrote:
I don't have any math, but once you hit hive, you're going to have a pile of money. Make that first wave of ultras, and then start every upgrade you can afford. There's just no reason not to.

If you're comparing +3 attack to adrenal glands, the attack speed is going to win.

+3 = lings do 8 damage
Adrenal Glands = 20% attack speed - essentially 20% more damage. 7*1.2 = 8.4. This is napkin math, and I could be completely off with it. I'm an English major, after all.


As for waiting for the upgrades to finish - no, don't do that. One of the builds strengths is the fast ultras. You really want to do damage as soon as they pop.

On September 13 2010 07:12 MrBitter wrote:


You're doing something wrong if you've only got 25 lings out for the push.

If you start pumping pure ling at 25-26 supply, you should easily be able to get 40-50 on the field before toss can start knock'n at your front door.

On September 13 2010 07:20 sooch wrote:

I've been starting ling production at ~30 supply with only the original 2 lings I produced at first to start with, the rest being drones/queens...that could be the reason.

The OP says "drone to 26-30" but then below it says "around 30 supply start pumping lings". I think you need to be pumping lings on the lower side of 26-30 than the higher side for this to work.

On September 13 2010 07:23 MrBitter wrote:
ty for the maths. Numbers increase dramatically when you consider Ultra aoe, too.

edit:





I would agree with this. It really comes down to scouting, though. If I get a real sense of aggression from the P, I'll start lings at 25/26. If I feel like he's being more complacent, or if I see that he's getting lots of stalkers, I'll wait til 29/30.

It's a fine line, I guess. =D

On September 13 2010 07:27 sooch wrote:

I posted a replay so you can see if maybe there was something else I did wrong that was a larger contributor to the loss than waiting 4-5 supply too late to start pumping lings.

On September 13 2010 11:28 sandman_sy wrote:
I was inspired by Dimaga and so, read this thread.. and did a little twist....

BTW.. im just a Platinum player... Dont expect much but seems to be working... hehe

i start out with
9 OV
13 Gas
13 Pool
Queen when pool pops
1 larva for a pair of lings(use this to sit outside his base or do a scout on what his door looks like)
Get ling speed for 1st 100 gas...
Get Evo chamber when you upgrade speed...
Usually start pumping lings around 19 or 20 supply
Upgrade your ling when EVO pops
Just to be safe. I usually place 1 Spore behind my mineral line. 1 Queen n 1 Spore =anti Dark/Vray/Banshee.

This is where you react:

Vs. Terrans (+1 Attack) usually i expand tech up n get banelings after this(most of the time.. i got map control) no way in hell he can expand with upgraded speedlings running around.

Vs. Protoss (+1 Carapace) either he has attempted to get collusis coz he saw my number of lings. or air.. which is easily countered by Mutas/Corruptor.. Run your OV over its base hehehe.. worth the 100 min.. or maybe a Overseer.. just let it ran pass.. Contaminate his gateway hehehe

Vs. Zerg (+1 Attack) i'd go baneling, and tech up to Muta while trying to kill him or forcing him to make inferior lings to counter my power lings. trickiest of them all.. yeah. i've tried this with someone going mass roach.. you just have to do a surround, just like sniping a zealot. A good surround can kill a roach with minimal damage to you. my lings seems to have survived and it was all downhill for him after that. The weakness of the roaches.. is speed. the lings snipes drones then runs, snipes the queen, and just plays tag in his camp. unless Mutas gets in on the battle, its GG when you can get 1 baneling into his mineral line.





IMPT part: when you speed upgrade the lings.. throw down your EVO.
by the time it pops you'll have a 100++ gas.. this is where you make a decision.. attack or carapace..?? for me.. vs Protoss.. i go carapace (to counter its +1 attack so that my lings wont die with just 2 hits) and vs Terran +1 attack. Although in the end.. i usually end up with +1 on both.